Dare I ask?

I got sick of consoles when playing games like Dark Souls.

Having to wait ages for the loading screen after each death just made me angrier and angrier on boss fights. On PC my SSD makes loading blazingly quick!
 
All I'm saying is that if you look in the fallout 4 threads for pc and consol gaming respectively, you will find 90% of the pc thread devoted to people bitching about performance glitches, ctd, how their 3999 x 599999 pixel setup isn't working out for them Whereas the people in the consol thread are talking about the game.

I used to play a lot on pc till my boy came along, now I haven't got the time to waste on it and just prefer sitting down infront of my 55inch tv and grabbing a couple of hours here and there.
 
oulton said:
All I'm saying is that if you look in the fallout 4 threads for pc and consol gaming respectively, you will find 90% of the pc thread devoted to people bitching about performance glitches, ctd, how their 3999 x 599999 pixel setup isn't working out for them Whereas the people in the consol thread are talking about the game.
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Not all of us are like that, I am happy with my 1080p setup and smooth peformance. Odd occasional slow down in diamond city but nothing to whinge about.
 
oulton said:
All I'm saying is that if you look in the fallout 4 threads for pc and consol gaming respectively, you will find 90% of the pc thread devoted to people bitching about performance glitches, ctd, how their 3999 x 599999 pixel setup isn't working out for them Whereas the people in the consol thread are talking about the game.

I used to play a lot on pc till my boy came along, now I haven't got the time to waste on it and just prefer sitting down infront of my 55inch tv and grabbing a couple of hours here and there.
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That's because people on PC expect a lot better than a Frame rate under 60 and textures that look like they are from 2012.
 
anticonscience said:
Well that depends entirely on what performance you are happy with.

980Ti - £530
PS4 - £400 (20th Anniversary edition so includes a camera and stand) so taking that into account you can get them for £250-£200 with a game (Fallout 4).
Xbox One - £430 (Day One edition)
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Digital Foundry often get comparable graphics quality to the Xbox and PS4 while using an i3 and a GTX 950 so I don't think buying a high end card is really necessary every generation. I'd say a budget of between £500-£600 you're better off buying a PC, anything lower you may as well buy a console or just save until you can afford a PC. A mid-range system will easily outdo the consoles.
 
anticonscience said:
Well that depends entirely on what performance you are happy with.

980Ti - £530
PS4 - £400 (20th Anniversary edition so includes a camera and stand) so taking that into account you can get them for £250-£200 with a game (Fallout 4).
Xbox One - £430 (Day One edition)
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That's a bit of a silly comparison, especially when you say it depends on what performance you are happy with. If you're happy with the performance of a PS4/Xbone then there's no need to spend £500 on a top end GFX card when a £200 one will do. If you "need" the performance of a 980Ti, then the point is moot since a PS4/Xbone wont be good enough.

Scrutinize said:
Console, a small sacrifice in graphics for a platform designed for lounging back and gaming on a large TV in the comfort of a sofa.
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There's no reason you can't lounge back and game on a large TV in the comfort of a sofa with a PC. It also has the added benefit that you have the choice to sit at a desk if you want to play games which are more suited to M&KB such as shooters or RTS.

IMO:

PC

Pros:

Flexibility
Cheaper games
Backwards compatibility
Better performance/graphics*
Cheaper to upgrade**

Cons:

Higher up-front costs*
Slightly higher maintenance (e.g. drivers, updates etc [although this is becoming less of a difference since current gen consoles are constantly updating too])
Sometimes compatibility issues

* Very dependant on how much you spend
** Depends how often you upgrade and what you upgrade to

Console

Pros:

"it just works"
Can trade in games
Lower upfront costs

Cons:

No flexibility - it's a gaming machine (with some media functionality [good luck playing any unsupported formats though])
More expensive games
More expensive to upgrade
No backwards compatibility

Basically they both have advantages and disadvantages, it just depends which are the biggest factors for you.

What swung the PS4 vs new PC decision for me was the fact that getting a decent PC would mean a huge library of games I already own being available to play, whereas buying a PS4 would mean no games to play, I have my PC connected to my TV & 5.1 system for when I feel like sitting back and chilling for a "cinematic" experience, but I also have a desk set up with a 34" 21:9 screen for when I want to do some "proper" gaming (or the GF is watching I'm a celebrity jungle on the TV :p)
 
For some reason everyone thinks PC gaming means sitting upright at a desk and having to play with loads of settings to get a game to run right.
Mines connected to my 50" TV, click a button game comes on and I lounge back on my sofa with either keyboard and mouse or controller. Just the same as a console.
 
PC

I wanted to play some games on my tv downstairs so i piped HDMI cables all over the place.
One to the projector in the bedroom and from there i used a splitter and went outside and down the side of the house and back in where TV is and put a HDMI wall socket on the wall.

Can only have one in use at a time mind you, but with a wireless game pad i can play my darksouls where ever.
 
Got Fallout 4 for PS4 initially to have a drunken game or two lounging on the sofa.

Will get it on PC for the second playthrough. I could trade in \ sell and pick up the PC version without losing any money.
 
I have a couple on consoles and while the simplicity and ease of use is definitely a big plus my heart has always been with the PC. They just offer so much more flexibility and fun in the long run, even if that does come with a lot of extra expense and frustration as well :)
 
PC definitely. Large initial investment depending on your budgets but I believe the pros far outweigh the cons.

Primarily 60FPS+ and 1080p+. As well as games being much much cheaper (especially with Steam sales), and an abundance of F2P games.
 
porushinobu said:
Join the PC master race, no need to be a console peasant XD



be careful if you go second hand. Use the members market on here, or a trusted source you know personally
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Would you perhaps have any suggestions of where to look for second hand items? Coincidence that you replied here considering I'm an Inverness local too :eek: Any recommendations will be taken with an open mind!

ThaReaperGuy said:
Second hand route is a good idea, shame you don't meet the requirements for the Members Market.

Going back to your OP it depends what you ultimately want, if you want to sit back on a sofa with your TV and controller it would be much more easier to grab a console and away you go, I do enjoy my Xbox 360 and Xbox One still and would happily game on it.

But being a Bethesda fan (Elder Scrolls and Fallout) you can mod the hell out of them which appeal to me and a reason why I have it on PC.

If you're happy to invest some money into a PC with a nice desk you'll have a great time just as much as a console, it's whatever suits you in the long run.
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It is definitely a shame but I don't think I will achieve 1000 posts any time too soon :p

Once again, is there any second hand routes that you would suggest?

SonniLombardi said:
Not at all, you can always build a mATX PC in small cube case and plonk it anywhere like I do.. Wireless mouse and keyboard / controller plugged into TV voila! You can use a PC just like a console... You don't need a desk.when I'm in bed I just plug into bedroom TV and get on with it. Plus my mouse works great on my bed sheets :D

I did have Xbox one but it never got used so sold it in the end much prefer PCs as its "all in one" if you will.
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Would you say that mATX would carry a premium to the cost?

SonniLombardi said:
Not all of us are like that, I am happy with my 1080p setup and smooth peformance. Odd occasional slow down in diamond city but nothing to whinge about.
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It's replies like yours that I'm ultimately looking for, I'm not interested in the 999fps people are talking about, just whether it's worth paying the extra £100/200 for a PC and whether it will last a reasonable time before I need to spend another £200 to play relevantly new titles.

K1LLSW1TCH said:
Digital Foundry often get comparable graphics quality to the Xbox and PS4 while using an i3 and a GTX 950 so I don't think buying a high end card is really necessary every generation. I'd say a budget of between £500-£600 you're better off buying a PC, anything lower you may as well buy a console or just save until you can afford a PC. A mid-range system will easily outdo the consoles.
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Is there anything you might suggest as to going down a PC build within that budget? What components to go for etc?

Haggisman said:
That's a bit of a silly comparison, especially when you say it depends on what performance you are happy with. If you're happy with the performance of a PS4/Xbone then there's no need to spend £500 on a top end GFX card when a £200 one will do. If you "need" the performance of a 980Ti, then the point is moot since a PS4/Xbone wont be good enough.



There's no reason you can't lounge back and game on a large TV in the comfort of a sofa with a PC. It also has the added benefit that you have the choice to sit at a desk if you want to play games which are more suited to M&KB such as shooters or RTS.

IMO:

PC

Pros:

Flexibility
Cheaper games
Backwards compatibility
Better performance/graphics*
Cheaper to upgrade**

Cons:

Higher up-front costs*
Slightly higher maintenance (e.g. drivers, updates etc [although this is becoming less of a difference since current gen consoles are constantly updating too])
Sometimes compatibility issues

* Very dependant on how much you spend
** Depends how often you upgrade and what you upgrade to

Console

Pros:

"it just works"
Can trade in games
Lower upfront costs

Cons:

No flexibility - it's a gaming machine (with some media functionality [good luck playing any unsupported formats though])
More expensive games
More expensive to upgrade
No backwards compatibility

Basically they both have advantages and disadvantages, it just depends which are the biggest factors for you.

What swung the PS4 vs new PC decision for me was the fact that getting a decent PC would mean a huge library of games I already own being available to play, whereas buying a PS4 would mean no games to play, I have my PC connected to my TV & 5.1 system for when I feel like sitting back and chilling for a "cinematic" experience, but I also have a desk set up with a 34" 21:9 screen for when I want to do some "proper" gaming (or the GF is watching I'm a celebrity jungle on the TV :p)
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Thank you very much for that post!! Covers some of my points perfectly. Another point that you bring up is the 5.1 system, I own a Pioneer Surround Sound seperates system and I would ideally like to use this with a PC or Xbone, I understand the Xbone would be a simple plug and play but would a graphics card output 5.1 sound over HDMI?
 
mark145 said:
Thank you very much for that post!! Covers some of my points perfectly. Another point that you bring up is the 5.1 system, I own a Pioneer Surround Sound seperates system and I would ideally like to use this with a PC or Xbone, I understand the Xbone would be a simple plug and play but would a graphics card output 5.1 sound over HDMI?
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Should do, both my current (GTX 970) and previous (GTX 750ti) output 5.1 with no problems, I would imagine any modern card would be able to (incidentally, I'd highly recommend the 750ti ;), very capable card and you can probably pick one up for around £60-70 2nd hand or £100 new)
 
I look at it this way.

A PC is personal computer as in yours, you buy or build yourself. At the end of the day its yours its personal and its a computer.

Xbox, playstation you are buying into a closed system a lot like apple.
You are buying the name not the product specifications, the Xbox one specs and PS4 are crap period. :rolleyes:

My i5 [email protected] with a 780ti kill them both and never cost that much.

I have spent about £1000 in the past 5 years, and am still up to date and can play all games on high or ultra.

PC is freedom, console is slave.

Plus you can do loads more with a PC than a console.
 
Haggisman said:
Should do, both my current (GTX 970) and previous (GTX 750ti) output 5.1 with no problems, I would imagine any modern card would be able to (incidentally, I'd highly recommend the 750ti ;), very capable card and you can probably pick one up for around £60-70 2nd hand or £100 new)
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Thanks, that's good to bear in mind!

Would you suggest looking at older hardware? I understand I would be better with a 750ti to perhaps a current 950? Is that correct?

Also you have mentioned 2nd hand again, any routes you would suggest taking in looking for 'safe' items?

itchy said:
I look at it this way.

A PC is personal computer as in yours, you buy or build yourself. At the end of the day its yours its personal and its a computer.

Xbox, playstation you are buying into a closed system a lot like apple.
You are buying the name not the product specifications, the Xbox one specs and PS4 are crap period. :rolleyes:

My i5 [email protected] with a 780ti kill them both and never cost that much.

I have spent about £1000 in the past 5 years, and am still up to date and can play all games on high or ultra.

PC is freedom, console is slave.

Plus you can do loads more with a PC than a console.
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Once again, would you recommend older hardware to someone like me, considering I would aim for the system to last perhaps a year or two
 
Intels i5s and i7s are belter chips for gaming, if you can source one cheap enough.

Newer ones are a little faster but some i5s/i7s overclock and nearly match top CPU`s in gaming.

If you can get a good one, no reason to spend more. ;)

Without monitor and keyboard/mouse. You could have a good rig.
 
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