What is the Justice rationale behind this court's decision? Teenager avoids jail after raping a 5 ye

It seems overly lenient but as I don't have the facts around the event I'm unsure what to make of it.

I'd have thought that many of the mitigating factors would put additional pressure onto being held in a secure unit (if they were not of sound mind & body) - also determining the likely hood of re-offence for this kind of crime can't be easy.

People who do things out of a compulsion are unlikely to snap after one incident. But as stated earlier, without the details it's all speculation & if it does go to appeal then it may highlight it was unduly lenient.
 
Shocky-FM said:
That's just crazy, I hope somebody names him so he can get some real punishment.
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You mean so that people without anything to go on other than newspaper reports (which can often have trouble getting the offence, date, place or names right) can go and attack someone who going by previous such incidents is likely not the person involved, and probably not even living in the same town.

I learned to not believe the papers when it came to sentencing a long time ago, when I spotted the pattern that if certain papers thought someone was getting "let off" they'd always report the minimum sentence length, whilst if they thought they were being hard done by they would report the "maximum" sentence length. They rarely if ever reported the actual recommended sentence, and never from what I spotted much if anything of the judges reasons for the sentence.


When that bastion of factual reporting "The News of the World" after taking legal advice (which said don't do it), and after the police etc gave their advice (don't do it) took it upon themselves to start reporting the names of paedophiles the result was Paediatricians being forced out of their houses, and IIRC at least one incident where someone who happened to have the same surname and initial got assaulted, other incidents where the police were hurt trying to stop mini riots etc.
 
Werewolf said:
You mean so that people without anything to go on other than newspaper reports (which can often have trouble getting the offence, date, place or names right) can go and attack someone who going by previous such incidents is likely not the person involved, and probably not even living in the same town.
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Assuming the story and names are correct of course, but did that really need to said? No, not really.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
Remind me of the age of consent in the UK again. I think it's a bit higher than 5 years of age.
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Burnsy2023 isn't saying he agrees with the sentencing he's explaining what might or must have gone through the judge's mind as he deliberated then sentenced the rapist, I'm also surprised by the sentence and wonder why it was given.
 
thep02 said:
Burnsy2023 isn't saying he agrees with the sentencing he's explaining what might or must have gone through the judge's mind as he deliberated then sentenced the rapist, I'm also surprised by the sentence and wonder why it was given.
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I know what would have gone through my mind if I was the judge I can assure you of that. That poor girl and her family now have to suffer the repercussions of this diabolical event. Do you know how much damage something like this causes to a person? It stays with you for life. And can cause major mental health problems later in life. I just hope the girl is young enough to not remember when she gets older.

The boy needs locking away in prison or in a hospital and punishing there is no excuse. I dont care what anyone says, there is no justification for raping a 5 year old child. He knows what he done.
 
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SonniLombardi said:
I know what would have gone through my mind if I was the judge I can assure you of that. That poor girl and her family now have to suffer the repercussions of this diabolical event. Do you know how much damage something like this causes to a person? It stays with you for life. And can cause major mental health problems later in life. I just hope the girl is young enough to not remember when she gets older.

The boy needs locking away in prison or in a hospital and punishing there is no excuse. I dont care what anyone says, there is no justification for raping a 5 year old child. He knows what he done.
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Don't get me wrong I'd have cut the rapist's throat without a second thought non of this namby pamby liberal prison ****.
 
My main point is that I'm not going to start ranting about stories I know very little about, because assumptions lead to stupid opinions.

SonniLombardi said:
I know what would have gone through my mind if I was the judge I can assure you of that. That poor girl and her family now have to suffer the repercussions of this diabolical event. Do you know how much damage something like this causes to a person? It stays with you for life. And can cause major mental health problems later in life. I just hope the girl is young enough to not remember when she gets older.

The boy needs locking away in prison or in a hospital and punishing there is no excuse. I dont care what anyone says, there is no justification for raping a 5 year old child. He knows what he done.
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Lets be clear, it affects everyone differently. Some people like you say take it very hard and it affects their lives substantially for long periods if not the rest of their lives. With that said, there are some who can recover to lead normal lives. Don't pretend like you know how this girl will be affected and how long for, because nobody does at the moment. Whilst sentencing should reflect the harm to the victim, its not the only thing to be considered.

As for locking him away, why? Some people will pose a significant likelihood of reoffending, and for some of these people, prison is entirely appropriate, but this is a 17 year old boy here, not yet an adult. How do you know whether he knows what he's done? How do you know he's not got significant learning disabilities that mean that he can't comprehend his actions?

I'm not saying his actions are ever justified, they're not. But sentencing is just as much as making sure it doesn't happen again as anything else and depending on the facts of the case, the sentence may be entirely appropriate - but I can't give a reasoned opinion on that because I know very little about this case, as does pretty much everyone else here.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
My main point is that I'm not going to start ranting about stories I know very little about, because assumptions lead to stupid opinions.



Lets be clear, it affects everyone differently. Some people like you say take it very hard and it affects their lives substantially for long periods if not the rest of their lives. With that said, there are some who can recover to lead normal lives. Don't pretend like you know how this girl will be affected and how long for, because nobody does at the moment. Whilst sentencing should reflect the harm to the victim, its not the only thing to be considered.

As for locking him away, why? Some people will pose a significant likelihood of reoffending, and for some of these people, prison is entirely appropriate, but this is a 17 year old boy here, not yet an adult. How do you know whether he knows what he's done? How do you know he's not got significant learning disabilities that mean that he can't comprehend his actions?

I'm not saying his actions are ever justified, they're not. But sentencing is just as much as making sure it doesn't happen again as anything else and depending on the facts of the case, the sentence may be entirely appropriate - but I can't give a reasoned opinion on that because I know very little about this case, as does pretty much everyone else here.
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Asking the girl to keep it secret suggests he knew what had happened was wrong.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
My main point is that I'm not going to start ranting about stories I know very little about, because assumptions lead to stupid opinions.



Lets be clear, it affects everyone differently. Some people like you say take it very hard and it affects their lives substantially for long periods if not the rest of their lives. With that said, there are some who can recover to lead normal lives. Don't pretend like you know how this girl will be affected and how long for, because nobody does at the moment. Whilst sentencing should reflect the harm to the victim, its not the only thing to be considered.

As for locking him away, why? Some people will pose a significant likelihood of reoffending, and for some of these people, prison is entirely appropriate, but this is a 17 year old boy here, not yet an adult. How do you know whether he knows what he's done? How do you know he's not got significant learning disabilities that mean that he can't comprehend his actions?

I'm not saying his actions are ever justified, they're not. But sentencing is just as much as making sure it doesn't happen again as anything else and depending on the facts of the case, the sentence may be entirely appropriate - but I can't give a reasoned opinion on that because I know very little about this case, as does pretty much everyone else here.
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Burnsy you are a Police Officer and the way you are coming across is if your are defending this vile creatures behaviour to some extent? he asked the girl to keep it secret that shows he knew what he was doing was wrong.

I'm not pretending like I know this girl, but I know the fact that she was raped. That's more than enough for me! IF this boy does have learning disabilities then something should be done about that because he now poses a risk to the rest of society by thinking he has gotten away with what he has done.. as you say you're right we don't know the full facts, but this is my stance and opinion on things.
 
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