What is the Justice rationale behind this court's decision? Teenager avoids jail after raping a 5 ye

cheesyboy said:
The court deeming true his reason for committing the rape as being due to pressure to lose his virginity?
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You think someone that impressionable and stupid to have literally no knowledge of the harm and impact of what he was doing to someone (despite telling her to keep it their secret) is not a danger to society?
 
Gilly said:
Yes.

Is that of consequence? I don't think it really changes anything.
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The sentencing remarks give the reasoning as to why the sentence given was decided upon. We have very little reliable information to make any sort of conclusions. Perhaps the sentence is too low or maybe it's entirely appropriate. I don't know and neither does anyone else here because we have bugger all information to make a reasoned conclusion.

The judge has access to all the facts, the sentencing guidelines (which state that custodial sentences are required in all but exceptional cases) and has experience making decisions in these cases. Whilst they should be held to account, I don't see why armchair critics with none of the above think they are better placed to make that decision.

All I'm advocating is that we don't pick up the pitchforks until we have something more than poor, emotive reporting and hearsay.
 
Gilly said:
You think someone that impressionable and stupid to have literally no knowledge of the harm and impact of what he was doing to someone (despite telling her to keep it their secret) is not a danger to society?
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Depending on the support and intervention from social services, the likelihood of reoffending may be low. This also depends on the level of remorse shown throughout the investigation and trial.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
The sentencing remarks give the reasoning as to why the sentence given was decided upon. We have very little reliable information to make any sort of conclusions. Perhaps the sentence is too low or maybe it's entirely appropriate. I don't know and neither does anyone else here because we have bugger all information to make a reasoned conclusion.

The judge has access to all the facts, the sentencing guidelines (which state that custodial sentences are required in all but exceptional cases) and has experience making decisions in these cases. Whilst they should be held to account, I don't see why armchair critics with none of the above think they are better placed to make that decision.

All I'm advocating is that we don't pick up the pitchforks until we have something more than poor, emotive reporting and hearsay.
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Whilst I understand and agree, for the most part, with what you are saying; without any sort of inclination as to how such an inappropriate-seeming sentence has been reached we cannot reach an informed opinion - exactly as you state.

That, unfortunately, is the inherent problem with this sentencing. The family are disgusted, the general public feel it a disgrace, 'retribution' or vigilantism becomes all the more likely... Is it in the public's interest to not release the details of this case? If so, that in itself tells me that the response was not appropriate to the crime.

The very fact that the details are unavailable is one major part of the problem here.
 
Gilly said:
You think someone that impressionable and stupid to have literally no knowledge of the harm and impact of what he was doing to someone (despite telling her to keep it their secret) is not a danger to society?
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That's probably a question for an expert.

I'm not defending the sentence or his actions. Simply answering the question posed. How could they be sure it was a one off - because they believed the motivation was a one-off.

I'm not happy with the sentence. Terrible story for the victim and her family.
 
Gilly said:
The very fact that the details are unavailable is one major part of the problem here.
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I agree. It's not so much that they're not being released. Anyone could have sat in the court and reported the sentencing remarks (as long as they don't release names that the judge has ordered to not be reported). The issue is around the collection and publishing of this in an easy and accessible way.

My point is that it's not being withheld, it's just not easy to find.
 
Possibly because a number of the judiciary are/were members of PIE and as such have more empathy with the perpetrator of the crime rather than the victim?
 
cheesyboy said:
The court deeming true his reason for committing the rape as being due to pressure to lose his virginity?
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So... the same pressure every single other 17 year old boy in the history of the human race has probably faced - the vast majority of which managed to face that pressure without raping a child.

Clearly there's something "wrong" with him regardless of the reasoning behind it...
 
Haggisman said:
So... the same pressure every single other 17 year old boy in the history of the human race has probably faced - the vast majority of which managed to face that pressure without raping a child.

Clearly there's something "wrong" with him regardless of the reasoning behind it...
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Or something wrong with his upbringing and the company he was keeping - which can be helped.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
All I'm advocating is that we don't pick up the pitchforks until we have something more than poor, emotive reporting and hearsay.
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Remind me again how long you've been on this forum?


I agree though - the leeway of judges is very narrow, and if this is the sentence that was passed, it is in accordance with the official sentencing guidelines. That means there's huge chunks of stuff that we aren't being told. I should also point out that rape sentences for first time offenders who confess guilt are seldom particularly high, and the age of the victim will only raise it a little.
 
Meridian said:
Remind me again how long you've been on this forum?


I agree though - the leeway of judges is very narrow, and if this is the sentence that was passed, it is in accordance with the official sentencing guidelines. That means there's huge chunks of stuff that we aren't being told. I should also point out that rape sentences for first time offenders who confess guilt are seldom particularly high, and the age of the victim will only raise it a little.
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Raise it from zero.....................
 
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Tosno said:
It will happen, the gears are already in motion.
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When you quoted Tyson Fury I was of an understanding that this was just showing how stupid some people can be, and how getting hit in the head for a living by very big blokes can have a long-term effect on cognitive capabilities.

To follow up with this worries me, I'm concerned that you have an agenda and, if so, require you to keep it off the forums.
 
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