Lord's Prayer cinema ad snub 'bewilders' Church of England

Avenged7Fold said:
No it isn't racist but saying what many of them believe is misleading. There are over 2 billion of them but if you take how many of them genuinely believe in the cause of the terrorists it is a small fraction comparatively.
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As someone who believes in personal freedoms there is plenty to criticise Islam over other than terrorism!
 
platypus said:
It's hard to see how people would be offended by this and not just ignore it or even miss it as they enter the cinema late to miss most of the adverts.
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I am basically, why should religion be treated differently to alcohol or tobacco? They are all a crutch to lean on.

And if you allow one, you allow all as has been previously stated several times.
 
As someone who also believes in personal freedom, i abhor all forms of violent terrorism and group all them guys together as nut-cases rather than group them together with all the non terrorists who also follow Islam.

nkata said:
I am basically, why should religion be treated differently to alcohol or tobacco? They are all a crutch to lean on.

And if you allow one, you allow all as has been previously stated several times.
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Exactly. I dont want to see it in the cinema and i don't want others to have to sit through it. People are aware of these things existing and know what they have to offer.
 
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Avenged7Fold said:
No it isn't racist but saying what many of them believe is misleading. There are over 2 billion of them but if you take how many of them genuinely believe in the cause of the terrorists it is a small fraction comparatively.
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I never intimated what beliefs I was talking about, so you've jumped the gun a bit there. Sam Harris has researched this and he explains it like this.


Think about a set of concentric circles. In the middle you have the Jihadists who awake every day wanting to kill infidels and become martyrs. This number is relatively small. Then you have extremists who are not willing to die for their beliefs but in principle support Jihadists and groups like ISIS. This number is in the millions, the two circles combined at this point might be 20% out of the 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Then there are conservative Muslims who reject ISIS and the violent terrorism of the two preceding circles however they still support bigotry toward homosexuals, apostates and women etc. These 3 circles are probably around 80% of Muslims. Then we have the moderate Muslims. It's the moderate Muslims we should support as they are the only group whose ideology fits in with what we have in West.
 
platypus said:
And people are so sensitive these days that they can't ignore a 60 second advert?
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Apparently so! I love as well how they clearly don't believe in it so to them it's fiction.

'ain't going to the cinema to watch no fiction!'
 
Guys. Guys.

The advert was banned because it's got nothing to do with capital. They're not going to waste their advertising space on something which could promote people to be peaceful lol. If everyone's at peace there's no money to be made. They need to use their advertising space on things which keep people in envy, getting jealous, spending money, partying, staying dumb and in conflict all the time. Alcohol.
 
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Dis86 said:
Apparently so! I love as well how they clearly don't believe in it so to them it's fiction.

'ain't going to the cinema to watch no fiction!'
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It's more like not wanting to go to see propaganda, after all the Christian cult is one of the main driving forces behind homophobia and anti choice. I don't think forcing such views on cinema goers is right, even if it is indirectly.
 
platypus said:
And people are so sensitive these days that they can't ignore a 60 second advert?
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Nothing to do with sensitivity. People go to the cinema to see a movie, not to watch a bunch of simpletons flap their gums about their favourite Sky Pixie.

Unlike a TV advert that you can flip channels to avoid, you can't change channels or hit the mute button in the cinema.
 
Sliver said:
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These numbers are all estimates made on assumptions of what people believe. Simplifying peoples beliefs like this and drawing conclusions based on estimates is silly.

If you want to continue the discussion, we should save it for the relevant thread. We both know that it will just burn this one to the ground with little effort if a debate ensued.

No one in this thread genuinely believes this adverts refusal is about not offending Muslims, so its OT. Its all about business.

Terminal_Boy said:
Nothing to do with sensitivity. People go to the cinema to see a movie, not to watch a bunch of simpletons flap their gums about their favourite Sky Pixie.

Unlike a TV advert that you can flip channels to avoid, you can't change channels or hit the mute button in the cinema.
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If i saw an advert that annoyed me like this, i wouldn't get offended but it would make me ticked off enough to put a dampener on the movie and affect my mood for the first few minutes which can be crucial to setting the tone of the film.
 
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Sliver said:
It's not racist. That's a common misconception. You can't leave or join a race. It's a manipulation used by some to seek special treatment. Criticising Islam is justifiable given what many of them believe and what some of them do. Dawkins explains it here:

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Follow the Wiki link I posted about Islamophobia, it clearly says that it is a racist term. Not that Wikipedia is 'the law', but it reflects a perception in society today that to criticise Islam is racist, to criticise Israel is anti-semitic etc etc.

It's time Christians jumped on the bandwagon.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
These numbers are all estimates made on assumptions of what people believe.
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Type Sam Harris Ben Affleck into YT. The first video 10:06 long has Sam Harris explain this. It's not based on silly assumptions, it's based on polls conducted in many countries over recent years.

Back on topic though, If the church want adverts in the cinema, then I want secular adverts in the church. :D
 
I think it's a case of careful what you wish for.

Let's turn it round. A parish church magazine says 'we have a policy of not promoting non-christian religions' when the local Zen Buddhists want to advertise their meetings...

Or let's say a church is running an asylum aid distribution centre. The local UKIP branch wants to put up some signs about providing 'assistance' so that 'migrants' can be 'helped' go go 'home'.

In both cases, I think the churches should have a right to say 'no'.
 
oh we don't want your prayer in our adverts? boo-*******-hoo. Hey Christianity, guess what? Britian doesn't care anymore. We've moved on. You're just hanging around like a bad smell. Either quiet down or get out.
 
Wouldn't surprise me if CoE eventually turned to spam e-mail to advertise the religion. Hell, some of the stuff i see go through the spam filter at work, wouldn't even make me bat an eyelid.
 
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