ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Yea those types of people have no idea, not one iota of what its like to live even a day under fascism.

Ignoring the situation, saying "it isnt our fight" as ive heard people say, isnt going to make ISIS go away.

People like ken livingstone boil my blood, he basically says "dont bomb a terrorist group because it will make them mad and they will attack us"

Google the left and Islam. It seems like an alliance of self hatred with hatred. I guess it makes sense if you hate yourself that much you should ally with people who hate you as well.

I keep seeing pro Islam and hippy looking people defending Islam and demanding Fascists out yet Islam is fascist in Sharia. It is anti gay and it is anti women because recently in Germany they are seeing immigrants refusing to speak to female professionals like estate agents or doctors. Yet you keep seeing feminists and rainbow flag posters rounding on anyone who dares speak out against Islam.


These people will be thrown from the rooftops or murdered by Islamists if thier wishes come true lol.
 
So, what are people's views on airstrikes in Syria?

I'm not convinced about it. Actually I think it will make the situation worse.

In my opinion, we're a target, and from IS's ideological viewpoint, we always will be, whether we attack them or not, because simply, we're not them. Hoping that by leaving them in peace, that they'll leave us in peace is naive in the extreme in my view.
 
Whilst I'd support air strikes if I knew they'd be perfect any collateral (hate that word)deaths are only going to fuel the Isis recruiting ability. Civilian deaths are inevitable if where they're holed up is to be believed.

I suspect starting the bombing run will also cause some extremists on our own soil to up their planning.

I personally don't see anyway out of this situation. Can't really come to a compromise with these people nor can we leave them to it.
 
I think 90% of it will be a waste of time. ISIS have been spending thier time digging tunnels under the Turkey border this is how i think the majority of smuggling of oil, Drugs and weapons is happening. It would be pretty easy to dig a tunnel from inside Syria somewhere like Kobane that is on the border and link to to Turkey and have everything out of sight. Just google the tunnels of Kobane the kurds have found they are just as good as the tunnels in Gaza. Raqqa is probably like Swiss cheese at the minute so bombing them is only going to get rid of them in checkpoints or training camps. The vast majority of them i bet do nothing against the rats in the tunnels.



Also google the rat line, I bet there is a massive rat line under Turkey for ammo. Those American carbines and other weapons need ammo from somewhere. Where and how do they get that?!
 
Whilst I'd support air strikes if I knew they'd be perfect any collateral (hate that word)deaths are only going to fuel the Isis recruiting ability. Civilian deaths are inevitable if where they're holed up is to be believed.

I've been saying as much since Afghanistan and Iraq, ISIS are most definitely largely a product of our post 9/11 military interventions. If someone is living in Iraq and a family member gets killed by an airstrike then accident or not they're likely to want to take up arms against those who did it, especially if their lives have been turned upside down as a result. They probably only start swallowing all of the extremist propaganda after they've actually been conscripted.

If it wasn't for 15yrs of 24/7 media coverage 99.9% of Britons wouldn't have even heard of Islamic extremists let alone been affected by them (outside of all the new anti-terrorism laws), the amount of media coverage we dedicate to them just encourages them.
 
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I think 90% of it will be a waste of time. ISIS have been spending thier time digging tunnels under the Turkey border this is how i think the majority of smuggling of oil, Drugs and weapons is happening. It would be pretty easy to dig a tunnel from inside Syria somewhere like Kobane that is on the border and link to to Turkey and have everything out of sight. Just google the tunnels of Kobane the kurds have found they are just as good as the tunnels in Gaza. Raqqa is probably like Swiss cheese at the minute so bombing them is only going to get rid of them in checkpoints or training camps. The vast majority of them i bet do nothing against the rats in the tunnels.



Also google the rat line, I bet there is a massive rat line under Turkey for ammo. Those American carbines and other weapons need ammo from somewhere. Where and how do they get that?!

Yup - ISIS isn't just another ragtag rebel group where bombing a few caches will seriously hamper their capabilities - from the ground up they've been engineered by people with both extensive actual military experience and well versed in military tactics and history. Not sure what the current status is with regard to that but to seriously hamper them you need to identify and remove those people from the equation one way or another so that they are just another ragtag rebel group.
 
You can apply the same logic to Hindu or Christianity, shall I provide examples of people doing horrific acts in the name of a god?

No need, I'm aware other religions kill in the name of their story books, but tell me, when was the last time anyone heard there was some individual who blew himself up, and didn't think immediately it's a muslim? It's become a reflex because Islamic violence is so commonplace worldwide.
 
Well it looks like soon the conflict will reach N.I. Just reading this morning about a planned anti-refugee march by Loyalists in Belfast as the first Syrians are due to arrive in Belfast and Londonderry to put strain on our resources. What nearly gave me a stomach ulcer though was the planned republican anti fascist march who will counter protest. Same old crap how can you oppose immigration or Islam when you have left-wing idiots who cannot even comprehend what fascism is holding derp marches and welcoming them in.

Utter idiots the left boggle my mind are these people mentally damaged or something? Do they not understand we cannot take in everyone else everytime there is a war we just further put the boot into ourselves? We have no money in N.I we are a basket case yet being forced to take more Syrians on Welfare who speak no English.


As i said, R.I.P Europe the slow death is imminent because there is no cohesion to stop them. Even if Syria ends they will just create a new war as an excuse to flood Europe. I am calling it now Lebanon in 2018/2019.


Bad luck, enjoy your terrorist attacks from sleeper cells hidden inside these, "Refugees"


Passport checks in Greece.

Beats me how all these jihadists are getting through such tight security.


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Maybe a naive sentiment, though I always wonder, if America had stayed out of the World Wars (and subsequently the wars following), would they(and by extension the Western world), have not been fiddling around in the middle east during the 70s/80s? One must draw the conclusion that all of the 'big brother' activity and moral policing by the West, has exposed us to negative elements, all the while lowering the respect other countries have for us and making their populace resent our presence.

Would a lower global profile, have then minimised the exposure to those parts of the world and stopped any of the blowback that we've faced in the last two decades?

Technology has obviously helped any one's cause, because it localised the globe and makes long distance into something that feels as it's a stone's throw away.
We cannot solely blame the west for bad politics, and setting up military bases where they don't belong, while getting into bed with foreign economic policies that ultimately hurt everyone's market. Maybe technology has put us on the back foot morally and ethically, and this is part of our punishment.

Something bad is coming though, and like in the streets of Russia, people will take things into their own hands.

Speaking of Russia, boy she looks more and more tempting these days as a place to settle down and(for a while) get away from this mess that America and western Europe are in.

It's a shame how our leaders made Russia out to be this enemy of the West for so long and in reality our people's had no qualms with one another. Our ways of life and views were a lot closer than any one would let you believe. It's also a place ripe with resources, land mass and they are opening up more to western ideas and reform. Putin to me is an example of a strong leader whom still employs modern ideas. He knows the U.S.S.R. died, but he isn't letting Russia die.

As I said at the start, maybe it's naive.
 
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The meddling in the middle east is of no connection to either of the world wars. Simple fact is that the middle east, by and large, were not involved in either of the wars at all.
 
Bad luck, enjoy your terrorist attacks from sleeper cells hidden inside these, "Refugees"


Passport checks in Greece.

Beats me how all these jihadists are getting through such tight security.
Oh look, brown people trying to get away from death and poverty. They must be terrorists amirite?
 
Maybe a naive sentiment, though I always wonder, if America had stayed out of the World Wars (and subsequently the wars following), would they(and by extension the Western world), have not been fiddling around in the middle east during the 70s/80s? One must draw the conclusion that all of the 'big brother' activity and moral policing by the West, has exposed us to negative elements, all the while lowering the respect other countries have for us and making their populace resent our presence.

By no means the origins of it but this covers some aspects of the modern history of it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Game

There is a lot more to it than anything to do with WW2.
 
Global dissatisfaction and disenchantment started with education of the working man and was compounded exponentially by the coming of the internet and the cell phone at prices anyone can now afford. Most occupants of these hell holes would never have heard of Germany or England even 50 years ago, let alone be making their way to these lands of seemingly free money, housing and whores led by the GPS on their tablets. It was but a matter of time and technology before word of the West's Liberal support of the idle and itinerant spread further afield.
 
Global dissatisfaction and disenchantment started with education of the working man and was compounded exponentially by the coming of the internet and the cell phone at prices anyone can now afford. Most occupants of these hell holes would never have heard of Germany or England even 50 years ago, let alone be making their way to these lands of seemingly free money, housing and whores led by the GPS on their tablets. It was but a matter of time and technology before word of the West's Liberal support of the idle and itinerant spread further afield.

Post of the Year.

Genuinely the funniest, most bat-**** insane post I've read.

Regards, Fishfluff
 
I am sick to death of people pulling the race card everytime we try to oppose immigration. It HAS to be the most unintelligent derp worth argument of all time.

I have to agree with this. As soon as I see the racism card theing used or the bigot word being thrown then I just assume the person has lost the argument and doesn't have anything to contribute. It's just so easy to throw those terms around now that they have lost all meaning and substance.
 
No, I just pull the racism card when people are being blatantly racist. There is nothing to say any of those in that picture are guilty of anything except wanting to move to another country but all that has been done is to paint them as terrorists. Bigots aplenty in here.

Not to mention the picture posted was taken from article about relocating existing refugees in Italy and Greece, and has been dishonestly posted as "LOLS LOOK AT THIS QUEUE OF TERRERSTES WAITING TO COME BLOW YOU UP"

You think I "derp" it? hahah.

What you must remember is that many people here are scared of their own shadow. I feel sorry for them, really, as they surely cannot live a normal life twitching everytime they see a brown face. I mean, reading the news or their predicably irrational Facebook feeds must send them into a spiral of misanthropy :p
 
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