ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Freakbro · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:14

I can't believe Cameron followed up from his appalling comment last night with the cliché "The bombing campaign in the Syria will make the UK safer" as a reason for this action.

I fear that will come back and bite him in the ass, we are already a target for ISIS, most likely from home grown radicals, and an attack within the UK was always likely to happen anyway. So when we start bombing Syria tomorrow and if (when) we get a reprisal attack it's ammunition to use against him.

The reality is, and what he should be honest to the country about, is in the short term the threat of an attack is going to increase exponentially, but we will have to weather that to win in the long run.

Bluntwrapped · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:15

RoboCod said:
Have a punt.

Surely we should be looking to the non extremist muslim community, those who condemn acts of terrorism and ask for help?

Devlish · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:21

elmarko said:
Do we need to stop ISIS?. Yes.
Will bombing achieve that?. I don't think so.
Will it make the situation worse, create more terrorists?. Maybe.

Why would it not stop ISIS? You dont think denying them room to meneuver, killing their leadership, destroying their training camps and wiping out the source of their funding is going to work?

Why do you think bombing Daesh in Syria is any more likely to cause terrorism than bombing them in Iraq has?

Harlequin · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:24

Devlish said:
Why would it not stop ISIS? You dont think denying them room to meneuver, killing their leadership, destroying their training camps and wiping out the source of their funding is going to work?

Why do you think bombing Daesh in Syria is any more likely to cause terrorism than bombing them in Iraq has?

did it work in Afghanistan? did it work in Libya? did it work in Iraq?

Freakbro · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:25

Devlish said:
Why do you think bombing Daesh in Syria is any more likely to cause terrorism than bombing them in Iraq has?

For the same reason we're all discussing this when we haven't been discussing the action in Iraq

No logical reason, just it's an emotional issue that is inflaming all sides

RoboCod · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:31

Harlequin said:
did it work in Afghanistan? did it work in Libya? did it work in Iraq?

Is it working in Iraq right now? Yup.

Freakbro · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:32

RoboCod said:
Is it working in Iraq right now? Yup.

Genuine question, is it? Can't remember the last time I have seen a report on what's happening in Iraq

Felon · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:39

Hilary Benn flying in the face of Jeremy Corbyn in parliament at the moment, must be difficult to have your own shadow foreign secretary supporting the PM.

Jokester · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:40

Freakbro said:
Genuine question, is it? Can't remember the last time I have seen a report on what's happening in Iraq

Tide is seemingly turning against IS now in Iraq. Even the Iraqi army are getting involved.

Firestar_3x · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:42

Screeeech said:
Hilary Benn flying in the face of Jeremy Corbyn in parliament at the moment, must be difficult to have your own shadow foreign secretary supporting the PM.

Benn sounding very much like a Labour leader to me, very good speech.

Devlish · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:43

Freakbro said:
Genuine question, is it? Can't remember the last time I have seen a report on what's happening in Iraq

This is quite interesting -

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/isis-territory-map-us-campaign/404776/

Basically ISIS has moved into Syria to escape the bombing. They have lost 10,000 fighters according to the US, but obviously a prosecution of the campaign in Syria is crucial.

Felon · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:44

Firestar_3x said:
Benn sounding very much like a Labour leader to me, very good speech.

yeah lol! I was thinking the same, not sure I agree or disagree with him, but his points were very well put,

Devlish · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:44

Firestar_3x said:
Benn sounding very much like a Labour leader to me, very good speech.

I look forward to the day he is leader, the guy is class.

Sui · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:46

That Benn guy is some speaker, amazing speech.

Freakbro · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:46

Jokester said:
Tide is seemingly turning against IS now in Iraq. Even the Iraqi army are getting involved.

Yea, I'm just watching Hillary Benn at the minute and it is a good speech, but from what he said I would say it's because of the iraqi army, supported by our airstrikes, why the tide is turning.

But it looks like we won't have the same support of boots on the ground from the loosely defined FSA in Syria and as such am dubious of its efficacy

Merlin5 · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:46

Benn is a brilliant speaker isn't he. They should have chosen him as labour leader. Corbyn looked quite awkward when Benn sat down after that speech.

Deleted member 66701 · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:48

Firestar_3x said:
Benn sounding very much like a Labour leader to me, very good speech.

His father will be turning in his grave.

Skunkworks · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:50

Bluntwrapped said:
Surely we should be looking to the non extremist muslim community, those who condemn acts of terrorism and ask for help?

They seem indifferent as long as it's muslim on muslim.

Freakbro · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:54

Well, I have to say, Phillip Hammond is saying the right things

Devlish · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:54

Freakbro said:
Well, I have to say, Phillip Hammond is saying the right things

Yes, its almost like hes been hanging out on reddit all day >< there has been massive 'discussion' (read shouting and ignoring anyone elses opinion) about exactly those issues.

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