Another american mass shooting

ikillbears · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:35

There have been 334 days and 351 mass shootings so far this year

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...days-and-351-mass-shootings-so-far-this-year/

Cyanide · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:35

acemastr said:
Here's a question, would the Paris attacks have been as bad if people were allowed to carry firearms legally? I guarantee the attackers would have seen a hell of a lot of return fire and maybe less people would have died. (lots of if's and maybe's but you get the idea)

As opposed to the thousands being killed every year due to gun crime in the states?

Cold, hard truth - a few extra people being saved in a one-off attack isn't worth the hundreds, if not thousands of lives it would cost from gun crime if guns were legalised.

Nitefly · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:36

They really do need to sort it out... how many mass shootings.....

Uther · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:38

Raymond Lin · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:46

ikillbears said:
There have been 334 days and 351 mass shootings so far this year

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...days-and-351-mass-shootings-so-far-this-year/

13 in 18 years, is erm, sad to say, an in no less tragic to those affected, does not compare to 351 in 334 days.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:46

acemastr said:
You're a very angry man, aren't you?

Like a lot of people, yes at times I can get angry!!
Good job I'm not allowed to own a gun, wouldn't want to make a very poor split second decision which results in the loss of someones life!! You know like what happens thousands and thousands of times in America EACH YEAR!!

Mynight · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:47

acemastr said:
Here's a question, would the Paris attacks have been as bad if people were allowed to carry firearms legally? I guarantee the attackers would have seen a hell of a lot of return fire and maybe less people would have died. (lots of if's and maybe's but you get the idea)

Let's be honest the vast amount of people carrying guns are hardly going to be well trained in using them. If anything it could increase the casualties.

Pure interest when was the last mass shooting stopped by any carrying citizen? Personally I haven't heard of one.

Janesy B · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:48

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Like a lot of people, yes at times I can get angry!!
Good job I'm not allowed to own a gun, wouldn't want to make a very poor split second decision which results in the loss of someones life!! You know like what happens thousands and thousands of times in America EACH YEAR!!

Alright mate you can calm down a bit.

D.P. · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:48

https://twitter.com/x/status/672153591273033728

Shocking really.

D.P. · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:50

Mynight said:
Let's be honest the vast amount of people carrying guns are hardly going to be well trained in using them. If anything it could increase the casualties.

Pure interest when was the last mass shooting stopped by any carrying citizen? Personally I haven't heard of one.

shoosh, don't inject facts and common sense into a a rapid gun nut's mouth.,

If large scale gun ownership prevents mass shootings then why are there so many mass shootings? And what do you do about the fact that you are most liekly to be shot by your own gun by a member of your family or close friend?

Felon · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:54

Mynight said:
Pure interest when was the last mass shooting stopped by any carrying citizen? Personally I haven't heard of one.

Hardly any, AFAIK most of them tend to take their own lives before anyone can stop them, or in the case of the shooting in Tucson AZ, the guy was busy reloading and a bunch of bystanders jumped on him (or something along those lines)

Yaayuh! · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:55

The constitution really is a complete farce. It doesn't change with the times and people will always fall back to "this ancient piece of paper of little to relevance in the modern world says I have a right!! eurr magerd mah righhttes!!!!"

C.R.A.Z.Y · 2 Dec 2015 at 21:57

14 dead

Suspects have fled the scene!!

KiNgPiN83 · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:01

On the police radio I've heard of a guy in fatigues on a railway line that they were trying to get to and now a car on a golf course with guns in it. Scary stuff...

Rroff · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:09

Zethor said:
The Republican solution? Changes in mental health care.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/02/u...=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

Its not as silly as it sounds if you understand the gun problem in the US.

spoffle said:
Americans have a problem with guns on a cultural level. They are obsessed with them. Other countries that have similar gun control laws don't have the same sort of issues.

Essentially, America collectively has shown it can't use guns responsibly, so they shouldn't have the free access to them that they have.

This is why people are calling for gun controls, not because the guns themselves are the problem.

The vast majority of the actively pro-gun US gun owners actually have a higher level of awareness of the responsibility of the use of firearms than typical and the abuse of those rights as in cases like this are almost sacrilegious in a religious sense to them. A good part of the problem is the nutjobs who in any other gun owning nation wouldn't normally get within a mile of a firearm but due to the typical approach to mental health issues in the US often have no problem getting their hands on firearms legally let alone illegally (hence the above).

(Obviously this isn't the whole story but it would significantly impact on the statistics).

timmeh · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:09

Waiting for Trump to come out and say that this wouldn't have happened if everyone in the building had been armed.

bitslice · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:14

Maybe if American Police didn't walk around looking like Navy Seals, normal people wouldn't feel they needed to do the same.

Maybe if Obama wasn't quite so keen on telling people what to do, they wouldn't feel they needed constitutional protection from a hypothetical authoritarian Government.

I'd suggest he just make really extensive gun training mandatory, like you can't drive a car without training, then you shouldn't be able to own a gun if you are stupid enough to leave it lying around for your kid to pick up.
Neither side can reasonably object to better training, and the NRA should be happy because that means gun owners are taking it seriously.

Obama is just completely the wrong President to introduce gun control, the right wing despise him and this is just a red rag to a bull.

How many people here would move to America and not buy a gun?

Mynight · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:17

To be fair extensive training for guns would be a good thing but it's probably not going to stop any situations like this.

While a car can be a weapon if used wrongly it's purpose is travel a gun only has one purpose (well can be used to open beers).

Will Gill · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:19

bitslice said:
How many people here would move to America and not buy a gun?

I managed it

Never even crossed my mind actually, but I must admit if it had I would have just to tick a box.

I agree with your training idea at least try and police the sale of lethal weapons to a degree, I know the US stance won't change but they could at least add a few more hoops to jump through rather than being able to purchase an m16 at wallmart whilst picking up the weekly shopping

acemastr · 2 Dec 2015 at 22:23

You get a background check which they make you wait 3 days before you get your gun, if you carry then you need a permit, which is a class where they teach you about gun law and teach you how to shoot (ish).

A felon cannot have a gun.

It isn't 'difficult' to get one, but short of a week long class, what more can they do? a psych test? lol