ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Combat squirrel · 3 Dec 2015 at 13:18

balky12 said:
You aren't making much sense? You saying that smart bombs still kill civilians?

I am not being funny, but if a smart bomb is dropped on a military target, in ISIS controlled territory, and a 'civilian' is killed. Good.

I probably wouldn't describe them as a civilian however.

You're arguments regarding funding don't make much sense either. It's the militaries money. It's been given to them in past budgets. The weapons have already been bought... we aren't taking away money from anywhere. It's already been allocated.

Rroff said:
Us not getting involved in Syria isn't going to stop that happening either.

balky12 said:
I mentioned WW2 and carpet bombing.

Back against the Nazis there was a lot less regard for human life in the bombing campaigns. People don't disagree with the action back then.

Devlish said:
Your side is the only one posting pucs of dead children and loving it. Anyway what happened to you stomping off? Change of heart ey?

Just listen to yourselves and think what your writing.

We are bombing the East even more and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. I also must state that of course I want ISIS dead - but you don't seem to get (or ignore) we created them.

You can't even tell the difference in your own words 'why are you not stomping off' ........... I never said I would, you said that, I said I am ashamed to be on the board with you guys............delusional.

Anyways I have to go to work, I just shake my head in disbelief non of you at all have had a word to say about this wonderful paragraph:

And so now - with money that we are told didn't exist to help our NHS, teachers, police, social services, or the poor - we suddenly find the money to fund creating some more refugees, and some more martyrs to inspire more terrorists.
And let's note with sadness that our government can't tell the difference between the two types of people it's helping to create.
And lets note the same thing happened in Afghanistan, and Iraq.
And let's note it's the same playbook our government are using to enact all this as the Nazi's used to exterminate the Jews.
And lets note that the government doing this got into power with a whopping 37% of the population wanting them there and 63% didn't.
None of this is new. We still have leaders who fall for this ****. Time after time.
Happy Christmas everyone. People at home have a pay cut. People abroad have some bombs. People in power have a nice kickback. Lovely.

Your heads are so far buried in the sand its inexplicable, all forms of rational thought gone............. completely brain washed by the media.....................you can't even begin rational thinking and so cannot be reasoned with - all I can do is say 'hey.......go think about that again' ........... I implore you to do so

Ayahuasca · 3 Dec 2015 at 13:20

I'm a:

The Running Man · 3 Dec 2015 at 13:22

Have we asked assad if we are okay to drop bombs in his country and asked him which are the priority targets? Or are we just assuming he doesn't exist and doing our own thing?

balky12 · 3 Dec 2015 at 13:23

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

That spelling and grammar. Normally a good indicator of level of intelligence.

That would go a long way in explaining a lot.

And let's note it's the same playbook our government are using to enact all this as the Nazi's used to exterminate the Jews.

This made me chuckle. The comparison is between ISIS and the Nazis. e.g taking over countries. Genocide. etc.etc. Not between the Western world and the Nazis.

dowie · 3 Dec 2015 at 13:29

Combat squirrel said:
I also must state that of course I want ISIS dead - but you don't seem to get (or ignore) we created them.

LOL

delusional

delta0 · 3 Dec 2015 at 13:29

Combat squirrel said:
Point proven.

If you think the west continually bombing the east in Syria, Iraq, Afgan etc and elsewhere.......will bring peace - then you and many others with the same belief cannot be reasoned with - you are clinically insane.

Watch that video, because this one leaked example simply shows what happens all the time - if you are ok with us bombing children then you need to have a word with yourself.

If you think our 'smart' bombs check passports and birth certificates (as pointed out by Steven Fry), then you are incredibly deluded.

I've no doubt at least some innocents are already dead........most likely some, probably also children are currently dying under some rubble, slowly bleeding out, probably with horrendous injuries..........broken bones, in pain unimaginable to us forum posters................ for what................your ok with that?

Not a single UK dropped bomb has caused any civilian casualties in Iraq. I doubt there will be anything different this time. They aren't carpet bombing entire cities. I'm not sure what on earth you think they are doing when they are there.

Cyanide · 3 Dec 2015 at 13:29

The Running Man said:
Have we asked assad if we are okay to drop bombs in his country and asked him which are the priority targets? Or are we just assuming he doesn't exist and doing our own thing?

We're just doing our own thing.

Hopefully we've at least mentioned that we'll be in the area so Russia knows to turn their AA off for a bit.

The IPB · 3 Dec 2015 at 13:32

Combat squirrel said:
I want ISIS dead

So if you propose no military action due to civilian casualties, how do you suggest this happens? Old age?

Ayahuasca · 3 Dec 2015 at 13:38

The IPB said:
So if you propose no military action due to civilian casualties, how do you suggest this happens? Old age?

We must go in on foot, in the dead of night and tickle them to death.

Tunney · 3 Dec 2015 at 13:38

delta0 said:
Not a single UK dropped bomb has caused any civilian casualties in Iraq.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

dowie · 3 Dec 2015 at 13:40

The Running Man said:
Have we asked assad if we are okay to drop bombs in his country and asked him which are the priority targets? Or are we just assuming he doesn't exist and doing our own thing?

Why would we care? He only controls 25% of the country and most of his population doesn't want him, he's a dictator not the head of a democratic government.

Gilly · 3 Dec 2015 at 13:49

Tunney said:
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

It was stated by one of (if not the) senior commanders in Iraq on the news this morning that there hasn't been a single civilian death in Iraq attributed to our bombs.

Tunney · 3 Dec 2015 at 13:59

Gilly said:
It was stated by one of (if not the) senior commanders in Iraq on the news this morning that there hasn't been a single civilian death in Iraq attributed to our bombs.

That's different to saying that there haven't been any civilian deaths due to our bombs though. I doubt we have people on the ground sieving through the bodies.

Gilly · 3 Dec 2015 at 14:02

Tunney said:
That's different to saying that there haven't been any civilian deaths due to our bombs though. I doubt we have people on the ground sieving through the bodies.

It is, that's why I made sure I captured that

there is also the assumption that this is what the poster was referring to.

balky12 · 3 Dec 2015 at 14:03

Tunney said:
That's different to saying that there haven't been any civilian deaths due to our bombs though. I doubt we have people on the ground sieving through the bodies.

I will be surprised if special forces aren't all over the shop in both Syria and Iraq.

Granted not sieving. But with the ability to report pretty accurately.

Mickie · 3 Dec 2015 at 14:06

Their haven't been any civilian deaths within 12 months in Iraq just like their was Evidence of Nuclear bombs in Iraq at the start of the war.. Only time will tell us how true that Statement is, it's very hard to believe civilians aren't being killed..

Devlish · 3 Dec 2015 at 14:12

Tunney said:
That's different to saying that there haven't been any civilian deaths due to our bombs though. I doubt we have people on the ground sieving through the bodies.

yeah the military don't drop bombs and not bother assessing damage. You must be thinking of world war 2.

Nelly · 3 Dec 2015 at 14:19

Gilly · 3 Dec 2015 at 14:30

Nelly said:

Only listened to the first couple of minutes, but if it's about the oil trade and that alone it's already been mentioned in here

The turk president has refuted the claims and stated that it is slander.

delta0 · 3 Dec 2015 at 14:30

Tunney said:
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

Certainly not. That is actually the case. We would certainly know about it if it wasn't.