Another american mass shooting

Nothing wrong with drinking.

Rather crass point though.

Well considering it dulls the senses and opens the person up to suggestion/manipulation/gullibility, I'd say it's a valid point. Not 100% correlation obviously though.
 
The usa are part of this, there is no doubt. My half brother has an interests in jfk so I buy dvds and pay extra attention to anything to do with it

The whole shooting is heart-wrenching, especially from the perspective of Jackie Kennedy :(
 
What do you mean by constructed acts?

Patriot Act as a result of 9/11 at least. You think people in Gitmo were being tortured for "true" information, consider someone being tortured into signing false confessions so blame can placed on the "right" person. Cheney is one sadistic b word.
 
So does religion :D.

Suppose, it depends on how the material is treated or taught as you know. A lot of these fighters in the middle-east are on hard drugs too. They are very naughty muslims.
All the greatest scientists had/have religion or believed in some sort of spirit or God.
 
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That's a rather bold claim. Which are these greatest scientists you speak of?

Patriot Act as a result of 9/11 at least. You think people in Gitmo were being tortured for "true" information, consider someone being tortured into signing false confessions so blame can placed on the "right" person. Cheney is one sadistic b word.

Argh right fair enough.

That's the main issue with torture you can get anyone to say whatever you want just to make it stop.

Don't know if anything actionable has ever come from torture.
 
Suppose, it depends on how the material is treated or taught as you know. A lot of these fighters in the middle-east are on hard drugs. They are very naughty muslims.
All the greatest scientists had/have religion or believed in some sort of spirit or God.

yes they have, as have I, whilst achieving things people told me I coudnt (theres plenty of people on this forum who would argue against if this were not true, but I would be nice if they did at least say hi :D) I am your enemy, and I am not a good enemy to have despite some fronts but not many have experienced this now. This is not the bit about drugs, this is the bit about how stupid you are, how you think you are winning. :)

oh an before everyone makes a mistake, I respect the teachings of the quran. everything I do is in context. you are all my brothers
 
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That's a rather bold claim. Which are these greatest scientists you speak of?

Come on man, you got the internet at your fingertips lol. The guy who made the big bang theory for a start, Newton, Planck, Einstein was a pantheist, countless muslims scientists with funny names from the Golden Age who invented methods and math in addition to the research gathered from far and a wide.
 
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Yeah I don't get it either? Oh well.

And for the record I never believed 9/11 was a conspiracy from the start despite my friends telling me to watch videos about it for years after. I refused cos they mentioned words like illuminati and such and I thought it was a load of hooey. As things have transgressed and we are in a perpetual state of war, I have started to look at other sources for news and views. Who's gona be the "next bad guy to take down cos they don't like freedom"?
 
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Come one man, you got the internet at your fingertips lol. The guy who made the big bang theory for a start, Newton, Planck, Einstein was a pantheist, countless muslims scientists with funny names from the Golden Age who invented methods and math in addition to the research gathered from far and a wide.

Lol yeah sorry normally I get peeved at people not using Google :(.

Yeah I don't get it either? Oh well.

Ok glad I'm not the only one. I wasn't sure if it was a quote or what.
 
Come one man, you got the internet at your fingertips lol. The guy who made the big bang theory for a start, Newton, Planck, Einstein was a pantheist, countless muslims scientists with funny names from the Golden Age who invented methods and math in addition to the research gathered from far and a wide.

All of them had reasons, thoughts, evidence, so much that islam, or any other religion lacks, every time, you present evidence agains whatever god you enter into this game, turns out you are something. The part that bothers me the most, is that no matter how close to me you are, you will not discuss it.
 
All of them had reasons, thoughts, evidence, so much that islam, or any other religion lacks, every time, you present evidence agains whatever god you enter into this game, turns out you are something. The part that bothers me the most, is that no matter how close to me you are, you will not discuss it.

Do we need to call you an ambulance? :confused:

Maybe I need sleep.
 
All of them had reasons, thoughts, evidence, so much that islam, or any other religion lacks, every time, you present evidence agains whatever god you enter into this game, turns out you are something. The part that bothers me the most, is that no matter how close to me you are, you will not discuss it.

If you believe God brought the universe into existence you can't have evidence what so ever against it, no matter what you do. The key is to believe God exists beyond all space and time and places mathematical and physical constructs for us to measure and understand how the universe works. What came before the big bang? The problem with your perspective of religion is that it has been tainted over time with imagery, blame and misuse. All things Islam consider to be wrong exactly for those reasons.
 
If you believe God brought the universe into existence you can't have evidence what so ever against it, no matter what you do. The key is to believe God exists beyond all space and time and places mathematical and physical constructs for us to measure and understand how the universe works. What came before the big bang? The problem with your perspective of religion is that it has been tainted over time with imagery, blame and misuse. All things Islam consider to be wrong exactly for those reasons.

I have been very fortunate, for my parents to be as disagreeable as they were and are, had little interest in religion, I found it for myself. I attended Christian church, Sunday school as a young man, I found It very interesting, I always loved the ceremony it brought, the closure, funerals were a particular favourite. I have a god, it is the god of the universe, maybe we are not so far apart, I know the god of the universe and I know from experience that this god loves me, but it is so far from this idea you, or any other human would have of god, that he has told me as much as to hate everything that is the human construct that is islam or any other of the three Abrahamic faiths, you are so wrong it seems alien to me that you could think this way, but I believe in something bigger than this and I have to give you a chance
 
I have been very fortunate, for my parents to be as disagreeable as they were and are, had little interest in religion, I found it for myself. I attended Christian church, Sunday school as a young man, I found It very interesting, I always loved the ceremony it brought, the closure, funerals were a particular favourite. I have a god, it is the god of the universe, maybe we are not so far apart, I know the god of the universe and I know from experience that this god loves me, but it is so far from this idea you, or any other human would have of god, that he has told me as much as to hate everything that is the human construct that is islam or any other of the three Abrahamic faiths, you are so wrong it seems alien to me that you could think this way, but I believe in something bigger than this and I have to give you a chance

You're probably a pantheist like Einstein then. That's fine, better to believe in something then nothing at all.
 
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