ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Glaucus said:
I don't know what the laws are on such thing, but we are targeting oil refineries atm, which Si where they get the majority of the money.

Trouble is we do not recognise them for what they are, and as such the military isn't doing what is needed. This is mainly down to lack of public support fir any action what so ever. Because well people are clueless.
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i just remember it being a big thing with Palestine, cant remember the exact laws but basically you aren't meant to target civilian infrastructure/resources.


Trouble is we do not recognise them for what they are, and as such the military isn't doing what is needed.
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I'd wager what the military thinks is quite differnt to what the tabloids publish based on general reports.

it certainly seems that stopping suplies into the region is the key from weapons and ammo to construction equipment.

perhaps cutting off international aid when we know its getting taken and used by issis would be a good idea.

if they are a government all governments know their society is just 3 missed meals away from revolution


remove isis ability to provide for its citizens and they will start to rebel aginst them.
 
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remove isis ability to provide for its citizens and they will start to rebel aginst them.
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Trouble is they can't rebel, they would simply be executed.
They need to be looked at more like a fledgling North Korea.
Rule by force and feat, in the short term they can provide. But in the long term they have no ability to keep the repairs up, with out global trade. Which isn't going to happen.

By delaying military action, we allow them to conquer more land, execute, rape and commit genocide and if this goes on for decades, will lead to a massive humanitarian crisis in the area as they struggle to maintain equipment and expertise. Unless they can conquer enough land with heavy industry to become self sufficient.

Public I can forgive for not knowing, Corbin Should be ashamed and sacked from labour party. He should know the situation. Which either makes unfit for parliament or incompetent and hasn't read up on the situation.
 
Glaucus said:
Trouble is they can't rebel, they would simply be executed.
They need to be looked at more like a fledgling North Korea.
Rule by force and feat, in the short term they can provide. But in the long term they have no ability to keep the repairs up, with out global trade. Which isn't going to happen.

By delaying military action, we allow them to conquer more land, execute, rape and commit genocide and if this goes on for decades, will lead to a massive humanitarian crisis in the area as they struggle to maintain equipment and expertise. Unless they can conquer enough land with heavy industry to become self sufficient.

Public I can forgive for not knowing, Corbin Should be ashamed and sacked from labour party. He should know the situation. Which either makes unfit for parliament or incompetent and has read up on the situation.
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theres some pretty stunning videos from resistance groups operating in the ISIS cities, on live leak etc.


the amount of balls those people must have is unreal its got them ambushing checkpoints and wiping out patrols.

using the same tactics that were used against the Americans/Iraq forces by infiltrating them (theres one with two guys who seem to be part of a patrol who drop back to the rear then gun down the other 6+ members of the group.)
 
Terminal_Boy said:
Nothing to do with Germany trying to fight the Soviet Union, the USA and the British Commonwealth all at the same time then?
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I played wolfenstein, the nazis are crap shots, and die with 1 or 2 hits.... where as americans heal form nearly dead in 1 second by simply picking up a med pack, thats why they the germans lost the war (i assume the game play mirrors real life)
 
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edscdk said:
I played wolfenstein, the nazis are crap shots, and die with 1 or 2 hits.... where as americans heal form nearly dead in 1 second by simply picking up a med pack, thats why they the germans lost the war (i assume the game play mirrors real life)
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Thanks for that. I now have the rest of this Central Line carriage wondering if I'm Today's Lunatic for laughing out loud...
 
edscdk said:
I played wolfenstein, the nazis are crap shots, and die with 1 or 2 hits.... where as americans heal form nearly dead in 1 second by simply picking up a med pack, thats why they the germans lost the war (i assume the game play mirrors real life)
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The Germans were very clever. The humans weren't the problem, is was those damn german shepherds!
 
Terminal_Boy said:
Nothing to do with Germany trying to fight the Soviet Union, the USA and the British Commonwealth all at the same time then?
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1. I said one of the reasons not the only reason.

2. Germany never fought the Soviet Union in WW1. The Soviet Union didn't exist until after WW1 had ended. They did fight Tsarist Russia and actually beat them by helping instigate the revolution in 1917.

3. Odd that you'd mention the USA but not France. The USA's participation in WW1 is a strange one. They weren't the force in 1917 that they were in 1941 and they weren't particular effective in WW1. However their joining in did massively help the allies' morale and hurt German morale so.
 
I wonder if we'll look back on these few years and ask ourselves if we did enough at the time.

Question is, theoretically, if Iraq didn't happen (but we were in the same situation) would we already be in there with a full combat mission?

Almost as much as the human loss, the cultural loss in places like Palmyra is atrocious.
 
Russinating said:
I wonder if we'll look back on these few years and ask ourselves if we did enough at the time.

Question is, theoretically, if Iraq didn't happen (but we were in the same situation) would we already be in there with a full combat mission?

Almost as much as the human loss, the cultural loss in places like Palmyra is atrocious.
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probably look back and wish we helped assad get his country back, the war could have been over and the people safe ages ago...

its like world leaders spite them just because of the ruler :rolleyes:
Probably realise turkey are not on our side at all.
Should have teamed up with russia.

remember when russia started bombing? murica said it would achieve nothing :rolleyes:

russia is making america look like a bunch of clowns who want a prolonged campaign to feed their war machine
 
Russinating said:
I wonder if we'll look back on these few years and ask ourselves if we did enough at the time.

Question is, theoretically, if Iraq didn't happen (but we were in the same situation) would we already be in there with a full combat mission?

Almost as much as the human loss, the cultural loss in places like Palmyra is atrocious.
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Or ISIS wouldn't have formed in the first place and there may not have been an Arab Spring, meaning little unrest in North Africa and much less unrest in the Middle East and no uprising in Syria.

Having said that what is happening in the ME may have helped us reconcile with Iran and has also shown us just how two faces Saudi is so there are some positives.
 
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