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1090t and R9 290

humbug said:
Components used.

Case: HAF 912+ Link
MOBO: Asus Sabertooth 990FX Link
CPU Cooler: CM Hyper 412S (EOL) Link
GPU: Powercolor PCS+ R9 290 @ 1100/1350 Link
 RAM: 4x 2GB (8GB) Corsair XMS3 @ 1600Mhz Link
Main Drive: 128GB Samsung 830 SSD Link
PSU: XFX Pro 750 Watt Link

And the CPU Link
Turbo Core turned off on both CPU's

FX-8350 Stock = 4Ghz
X6 1090T Stock = 3.2Ghz

All games tested at maximum settings 1080P.
RAM running at 1600Mhz on both CPU's
CPU overclocks tested for 1 hour in Prime95 and 2 hours in Crysis 3 as a stability level pass. they are not maximum benching overclocks on either CPU, that is pointless for a reality check on these CPU's.

Part One: Gaming, Stock clock:

BF4 DirectX Shanghai, CN base to flag B.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 44, Max 97, Avr 61.6
FX-8350 FPS: Min 57, Max 103, Avr 75.3 +21%

Dirt Showdown.
X6 1090T FPS: Avr 83.2
FX-8350 FPS: Avr 85.9 +3%

Grid2.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 55, Avr 75
FX-8350 FPS: Min 67, Avr 90 +20%

Thief DirectX.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 27, Max 75, Avr 41
FX-8350 FPS: Min 33, Max 78, Avr 50 +21%

Star Swarm DirectX.
X6 1090T FPS: Avr 18
FX-8350 FPS: Avr 24 +30%

Valley.
X6 1090T Points: 2138
FX-8350 Points: 2358 +10%


Part Two: Gaming Clock for Clock (4Ghz)

BF4 DirectX Shanghai, CN base to flag B.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 48, Max 98, Avr 65.7
FX-8350 FPS: Min 57, Max 103, Avr 75.3 +15%

Dirt Showdown.
X6 1090T FPS: Avr 83.9
FX-8350 FPS: Avr 85.9 +2%

Grid2.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 56, Avr 78
FX-8350 FPS: Min 67, Avr 90 +15%

Thief DirectX.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 28, Max 76, Avr 44
FX-8350 FPS: Min 33, Max 78, Avr 50 +13%

Star Swarm DirectX.
X6 1090T FPS: Avr 21
FX-8350 FPS: Avr 24 +20%

Valley.
X6 1090T Points: 2294
FX-8350 Points: 2358 +3%


Part Three: Gaming overclock vs overclock: X6 1090T = 4Ghz. FX-8350 = 4.6Ghz

BF4 DirectX Shanghai, CN base to flag B.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 48, Max 98, Avr 65.7
FX-8350 FPS: Min 59, Max 109, Avr 78.1 +20%

Dirt Showdown.
X6 1090T FPS: Avr 83.4
FX-8350 FPS: Avr 87.3 +5%

Grid2.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 56, Avr 78
FX-8350 FPS: Min 70, Avr 96 +23%

Thief DirectX.
X6 1090T FPS: Min 28, Max 76, Avr 44
FX-8350 FPS: Min 34, Max 81, Avr 54 +24%

Star Swarm DirectX.
X6 1090T FPS: Avr 21
FX-8350 FPS: Avr 30 +30%

Valley.
X6 1090T Points: 2294
FX-8350 Points: 2459 +7%


Part Five: Applications, Stock clock:

WinRar.
X6 1090T Kb/s: 2,950
FX-8350 Kb/s: 4,360 +49%

Hand Break Video Encoding Time.
X6 1090T time: 2m 23s +34%
FX-8350 time: 1m 47s


Part Six: Applications, clock for clock (4Ghz)

WinRar.
X6 1090T Kb/s: 3,146
FX-8350 Kb/s: 4,360 +38%

Hand Break Video Encoding Time.
X6 1090T time: 2m 03s +15%
FX-8350 time: 1m 47s


Part Seven: Applications, overclock vs overclock: X6 1090T = 4Ghz. FX-8350 = 4.6Ghz

WinRar.
X6 1090T Kb/s: 3,146
FX-8350 Kb/s: 4,779 +51%

Hand Break Video Encoding Time.
X6 1090T time: 2m 03s +29%
FX-8350 time: 1m 35s


Conclution:

Clock for clock the FX-8350 is on average 13% faster than the Phenom II x6 in Games, reasonably achievable overclocks for both CPU's has the FX-8350 more than 20% ahead.

In compression and video encoding the FX-8350's performance delta to the X6 1090T is just a good, with +40 and +15% clock for clock, and 50% to 30% overclocked.

If you already have a 990FX series Motherboard and an ageing X6 the FX-8350 is a worthwhile upgrade.
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I've already seen that so I didn't need a wall of text. I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to prove here?

I simply said that a 1090t would be an OK match for a 290 and would provide a perfectly fine gaming experience without replacing it.
 
I'll probably recommend he gets an i5 or an 8350 or something of the likes to keep him ticking over, didn't realise it would cause such a stir haha :)
 
Well, i just changed the cpu to FX 8350, i know not the same driver but i got lot of fps increase in all cases.
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9211957
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9669758
Same GPU , the second run was even at lower GPU speed .
Clearly see the bottleneck. As i mention before, in all games i see fps gains. Not just some. I wanted to try this FX 8350 because i got it for free. Haven't had time to max the OC on CPU yet. So run it at 4.4 temporally.
I am only talking about GTX 570, not even 290. DX 12 API overhead test also will come. :D I only put the CPU in today.
 
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siriq111 said:
Well, i just changed the cpu to FX 8350, i know not the same driver but i got lot of fps increase in all cases.
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9211957
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9669758
Same GPU , the second run was even at lower GPU speed .
Clearly see the bottleneck. As i mention before, in all games i see fps gains. Not just some. I wanted to try this FX 8350 because i got it for free. Haven't had time to max the OC on CPU yet. So run it at 4.4 temporally.
I am only talking about GTX 570, not even 290. DX 12 API overhead test also will come. :D I only put the CPU in today.
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I'd like to see more evidence if you don't mind.
Can you provide benchmarks of more games and firestrike etc etc.
 
siriq111 said:
Well, i just changed the cpu to FX 8350, i know not the same driver but i got lot of fps increase in all cases.
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9211957
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9669758
Same GPU , the second run was even at lower GPU speed .
Clearly see the bottleneck. As i mention before, in all games i see fps gains. Not just some. I wanted to try this FX 8350 because i got it for free. Haven't had time to max the OC on CPU yet. So run it at 4.4 temporally.
I am only talking about GTX 570, not even 290. DX 12 API overhead test also will come. :D I only put the CPU in today.
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Nice :)
 
At 4ghz and more they are very close clock per clock. I found a guy on Overclock.net who ran them both at 4.2ghz and only in the full 8 thread scenario did the 8350 win anything.

Of course the main attraction of Vishera is that it clocks much higher providing you spend a good chunk on a half decent motherboard for it.

And of course there's the issue of money. With the 1090t being free and the 8350 costing over a hundred quid I still don't feel it would be worth it, even with a 290.

I got a 1055t yesterday and I reckon with the ram I'm getting for it I can get it to around 3.5ghz or so. I bought an Asus Mars 760 so I should easily be able to bottleneck the CPU. However, what I am looking for is min FPS over 30 and am also interested to see what max FPS I can get out of this rig in games like BF4.
 
ALXAndy said:
At 4ghz and more they are very close clock per clock. I found a guy on Overclock.net who ran them both at 4.2ghz and only in the full 8 thread scenario did the 8350 win anything.

Of course the main attraction of Vishera is that it clocks much higher providing you spend a good chunk on a half decent motherboard for it.

And of course there's the issue of money. With the 1090t being free and the 8350 costing over a hundred quid I still don't feel it would be worth it, even with a 290.

I got a 1055t yesterday and I reckon with the ram I'm getting for it I can get it to around 3.5ghz or so. I bought an Asus Mars 760 so I should easily be able to bottleneck the CPU. However, what I am looking for is min FPS over 30 and am also interested to see what max FPS I can get out of this rig in games like BF4.
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What board and ram did you get?

4ghz+ should be achievable. I got 4 with the 1045T with a Matx 880 board.
 
I did it all a few years back Andy, used my 2600k system and used a 7950 stock at 800/1250 and 1050/1600 on a x4 b55 ranging from stock to 200mhz increments upto 4.262 and cpu-nb of 2600, stock ht 2000, ddr 1600 9:9:924 cr1, against an fx8320 at clock for clock of b55 and also max potential 5/5.1 ghz for the fx8320 ddr3 1600.

The 7950 at stock was being held back by both the b55 and fx8320 in most of my games, the fx was quite a bit behind the b55 until it got upto 4.6ghz/4.7 and then at 4.8/5ghz it started showing slgight gains, but was still behind the 2600k.
 
pandem0nium said:
What board and ram did you get?

4ghz+ should be achievable. I got 4 with the 1045T with a Matx 880 board.
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I sold my old gaming PC to my neighbours about five years back and they just gave it back to me.. Spec was a P2 940 (DDR2 only, not the later model) with 4gb 800mhz DDR2 and a Asus M3A32 MVP Deluxe Wifi (8+2).

I had a little play yesterday and managed to hit 3.4ghz quite easily using a single 1gb stick of ram. I've since ordered 8gb and it will be paired with an Asus Mars 760 for 1080p gaming.

The ram I have ordered is only 667 so that may eventually hinder the overclock, but the seller assures me it will do 800mhz so anywhere between 667 and 800 is fine. Not quite sure how far I will get, but even 3.4ghz on six cores is fine for 1080p IMO.

I'm not expecting to set the world alight, anything over 30 FPS is fine by me.

Mind you having said all of that the overclocking certainly won't stop because of the board. It's a very solid board with pretty epic cooling.
 
I promised the DX 12 3Dmark API overhead test, here we are :D So same GPU at same clock also same driver in both test. Only the CPU has been changed. Also added some extra ram but it doesn't effect the score.
Old: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9211957
New: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9678575
Even in DX 12 test i got extra.
Ofc you can get lot better results with a decent OCed intel. Even FX 8350 got some bottleneck here at 4.5 .
 
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humbug said:
I ran that CPU with a 290 for a short while, I made an FX8350 comparison thread here http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18604818 check it to see whatsort of bottleneck he would get.
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I just looked at some of those and considering you went stock for stock ie; 3.2 v 4.0 it wasn't a great improvement. It was that sort of result that made me go from my Phenom to Intel, I used to love my Phenom though.
 
siriq111 said:
I promised the DX 12 3Dmark API overhead test, here we are :D So same GPU at same clock also same driver in both test. Only the CPU has been changed. Also added some extra ram but it doesn't effect the score.
Old: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9211957
New: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9678575
Even in DX 12 test i got extra.
Ofc you can get lot better results with a decent OCed intel. Even FX 8350 got some bottleneck here at 4.5 .
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How comes the DX11 multi-threaded is lower than the DX11 single-threaded on the 1090?
 
Yup. Also driver to driver may vary. Once again, i got lot of fps + with FX 8350 , even it is still got some bottleneck on GTX 570. Unbelievable but i use both CPUs. Now maybe people understand why i don't recommend this CPU.
 
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Davedree said:
I'd like to see more evidence if you don't mind.
Can you provide benchmarks of more games and firestrike etc etc.
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I made some screenshot about Thief also shadow of mordor. They are here somewhere at the forum :D . I run the bench again with the new setup. I will do a screen later. Sorry , i just realized your msg. I don't do firestrike. I use BF4 , what i can tell is lot stable then before FPS whise. If i got time i will put the phenom back but took me over month to install my water cooler and CPU just to find everything righ(time etc. ).
 
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