Idiot UK Driver' Angry About DVLA Clamping His 'Motor' Attacks It With Sledgehammer So They Can't Se

jigger · 9 Feb 2016 at 12:17

ttaskmaster said:
You do realise the DVLA also clamp the vehicles of uninsured drivers, yeh... or would you rather they were out and about?
VOSA also clamp cars that have no MoT or are otherwise unsound. You want that crap on the roads too?

You do realise VOSA don't prosecute those drivers. Do you still want those drivers getting away with this. I've never heard of VOSA stopping an uninsured driver..

Also, you do know VOSA don't make any distinction between a roadworthy and non road worthy car or do anything about it?

jigger · 9 Feb 2016 at 12:31

snappyfish said:
Tartan style hat, white trainers and a shell suit top.

I think his attire is very fetching. I brings together decades of fashions and should be celebrated

snappyfish said:
What's funny is the "giggling" lady filming it? Someone's mother perhaps! What message does she put out to any children watching that in the street.

What message? If someone is smashing up a car with an axe make a video and upload it to youtube so other's can can question your parenting skillz and moral fibre?

Burnsy2023 · 9 Feb 2016 at 12:33

jigger said:
Also, you do know VOSA don't make any distinction between a roadworthy and non road worthy car or do anything about it?

Err, yes they do.

snappyfish · 9 Feb 2016 at 12:34

jigger said:
What message? If someone is smashing up a car with an axe make a video and upload it to youtube so other's can can question your parenting skillz and moral fibre?

It's a time and a place issue. No health and safety what so ever, in a public street.

jigger · 9 Feb 2016 at 12:35

Burnsy2023 said:
Err, yes they do.

Well yes they take the car and crush it. Your point?

jigger · 9 Feb 2016 at 12:39

snappyfish said:
It's a time and a place issue. No health and safety what so ever, in a public street.

LOL.

Objection. Speculation your Honor. My client was wearing a hard hat and high vis vest

ZXSpectrum · 9 Feb 2016 at 12:44

jigger said:
You do realise VOSA don't prosecute those drivers. Do you still want those drivers getting away with this. I've never heard of VOSA stopping an uninsured driver..

Also, you do know VOSA don't make any distinction between a roadworthy and non road worthy car or do anything about it?

HUH? I have seen Shows like Police Interceptors that have Vosa along with the police stopping random cars and checking them for road worthiness and if they are taxed and insured. If they are not then they remove them from the road... :confused:

jigger · 9 Feb 2016 at 12:46

ZXSpectrum said:
HUH? I have seen Shows like Police Interceptors that have Vosa along with the police stopping random cars and checking them for road worthiness and if they are taxed and insured. If they are not then they remove them from the road...

Do you have a point in there somewhere, other than you seen a Police show with the Police stopping cars and VOSA checking them over

Delvis · 9 Feb 2016 at 13:11

jigger said:
Do you have a point in there somewhere, other than you seen a Police show with the Police stopping cars and VOSA checking them over

Yes, you said the below:

jigger said:
You do realise VOSA don't prosecute those drivers. Do you still want those drivers getting away with this. I've never heard of VOSA stopping an uninsured driver..

Also, you do know VOSA don't make any distinction between a roadworthy and non road worthy car or do anything about it?

So your point was invalid, I believe that was his point.

ttaskmaster · 9 Feb 2016 at 13:17

jigger said:
You do realise VOSA don't prosecute those drivers.

Technically they don't, the courts do, but still...
But VOSA have published plenty of figures on their claimed prosecutions and plenty of solicitors, Cit Advice Bureaus and the like offer assistance in defending prosecutees. Certainly someone is prosecuting and their name is all over the paperwork...

jigger said:
I've never heard of VOSA stopping an uninsured driver...

I did specify that they clamp unsound vehicles, although they do a lot more around commercial vehicles, HGVs, LGV, PSVs and the like.

jigger said:
Also, you do know VOSA don't make any distinction between a roadworthy and non road worthy car or do anything about it?

They make very exact distinctions and do a LOT about it, again as evidenced by their published stats and the reams of advice on what they look for, how to avoid it and what to do if they do prosecute.
Some of the DVLA guys would go round with VOSA inspectors to 'double down' on their vehicle checks - One gets the tax, the other gets the vehicle. Seen them do it and known DVLA people who did the whole clamping/towing side for a living. Now they're all part of the same agency anyway.

ZXSpectrum · 9 Feb 2016 at 13:18

I was under the impression that it was actually a VOSA road stop with the police to deal with the logistics or issues that come from removing a car/driver from the road. I don't think I have ever seen a VOSA stop without the presence of the police.

jigger · 9 Feb 2016 at 13:19

No my point is fully valid. VOSA don't prosecute or care if a car has an MOT. Once the car is clamped they all get crushed/sold just them same.

Delvis · 9 Feb 2016 at 13:30

Vonhelmet · 9 Feb 2016 at 13:36

is he wearing those clothes for a bet?

ttaskmaster · 9 Feb 2016 at 13:58

jigger said:
No my point is fully valid. VOSA don't prosecute or care if a car has an MOT.

If it has an MoT Cert (which just certifies it as sount at the time of inspection) but is being driven around with a door hanging off, then it's an unsound vehicle, isn't it. And yes they do care, as they also regulate MoT testers - If you get your car Cert'ed in the morning from John Bull Testers Ltd and a VOSA inspector fails the car in the afternoon, VOSA-Man will be screaming round to John Bull to haul him up over it.

jigger said:
Once the car is clamped they all get crushed/sold just them same.

They usually tow it within 24 hours.
They then cannot crush it, sell it or otherwise touch it for at least 5 weeks.
After that, they are allowed to dispose of it.

jigger · 9 Feb 2016 at 14:19

ttaskmaster said:
If it has an MoT Cert (which just certifies it as sount at the time of inspection) but is being driven around with a door hanging off, then it's an unsound vehicle, isn't it. And yes they do care, as they also regulate MoT testers - If you get your car Cert'ed in the morning from John Bull Testers Ltd and a VOSA inspector fails the car in the afternoon, VOSA-Man will be screaming round to John Bull to haul him up over it.

They usually tow it within 24 hours.
They then cannot crush it, sell it or otherwise touch it for at least 5 weeks.
After that, they are allowed to dispose of it.

Thats a completely different situation to clamping for not taxing a car.

Everything about taxing a car is just plain silly. It makes no one any safer and is used as a mechanism to impose penalties, generate revenue and suit political ends/failings.

jigger · 9 Feb 2016 at 14:35

As Tute says, scrap the whole sorry system, put 2p on a litre of petrol and put an end to this ******.

Sod it, put 20p on a litre of fuel and use the money to properly deal with all the problem that vehicles cause. Like fixing the dam roads and dealing with all the terrible driving.

Kuros · 9 Feb 2016 at 14:37

I somewhat disagree with the above. The reason for various bands of tax is that it encourages people to go for greener/cleaner cars rather than petrol drinking V8's, if you scrap all of this, you'd just end up going back to the age of heavy polluting cars all over the shop.

ttaskmaster · 9 Feb 2016 at 14:45

jigger said:
Thats a completely different situation to clamping for not taxing a car.

Can't tax a vehicle without insurance, can't insure a vehicle without MoT.
So in essence, it kinda does have something to do with it.

But you were disagreeing with "clamping of any kind"... my argument is that it does serve a purpose. Several, in fact.

In fact, were it not for some idiot getting penalised for being an idiot, I'd never have got my super-duper high performance bike for very little money through the DVLA auction!

jigger said:
It makes no one any safer and is used as a mechanism to impose penalties, generate revenue and suit political ends/failings.

The same is said for many of the things you pay. That's the government people voted for, though, so like it or move country...

jigger said:
Sod it, put 20p on a litre of fuel and use the money to properly deal with all the problem that vehicles cause.

OK, sit back and watch me mod my car to use less fuel, then and enjoy the continuation of those problems...

jigger said:
Like fixing the dam roads and dealing with all the terrible driving.

The actual Road Tax tried that and it was woefully inadequate to fund such things.
Terrible driving will not be fixed by tax money.

jigger · 9 Feb 2016 at 14:51

Kuros said:
I somewhat disagree with the above. The reason for various bands of tax is that it encourages people to go for greener/cleaner cars rather than petrol drinking V8's, if you scrap all of this, you'd just end up going back to the age of heavy polluting cars all over the shop.

TAX bracket's make zero difference to people buying a car IMO. I've never considered it when buying a car. I have considered fuel economy a couple of times though. Now if government want to get serious on TAX brackets and do some good with the money I might. Like say one of my cars starts to cost £5000 a year to TAX because it's an environmental nightmare and I do 20k a year in it.

To the pollution issue. lets say I have a car or 2 stroke bike thats horrendously dirty in what way will crushing vehicles that are cleaner make any difference. A scheme that takes those clean cars and trades them for bangers would be a better use of the system. Take people driving illegally or dangerously, I could get behind. But car tax, no sorry it's doing anything but be a royal pain in the arse.