ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

platypus said:
I don't know unfortunately, you'd need to ask him that.
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Whilst far right groups are less in number this year than previous years they are resorting more to violence and extreme measures - maybe its that?

I don't think a week passes without some story about a muslim female being attacked is in the news. (Funny how they always go for the weaker individuals - wussys) - maybe that's what he is referring to?

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/features/far-right-2015/

So Scorza, why aint you asking why the far right groups are only offering training to your comrades?

The growing radicalisation and militancy of the far right, coupled with the humiliation and bruised faces from Liverpool has led to rising participation in survivalist and martial arts training.

Among the groups offering this training are Misanthropic Division and Legion, formerly known as Sigurd Legion. The former is led by Francesco Saverio Fontana, a former member of the fascist Azov Battalion in Ukraine and a member of the Italian nazi group, Casa Pound, and involves Jimmy Hay, a MMA trainer who runs a gym in Greater Manchester.

Legion is led by Craig Fraser and a video of one of its camps, held in Wales, shows two men stripped to the waist pummelling each other as they practice unarmed combat and others training with knives.

In his book Centurion Method, Fraser tells his followers: “Violence is the key to manhood, a man who cannot do violence, either to himself, his comrades or his enemies is a dead man...Practice violence then, harm yourself, experience pain, practice the traditions of the day, learn to hunt, to kill, to maim and to dominate in battle.”

NA, the NWI and unaligned activists are among the 80-100 people who went through these training camps during 2015.
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zoomee said:
Whilst far right groups are less in number this year than previous years they are resorting more to violence and extreme measures - maybe its that?
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I think more people are getting more moderate as they realise that the only real way of fighting immigration is not joining far-right groups and looking like a bunch of plebs and made fun of, those that are left seem to be in a panic and get more desperate for media attention.

NF and BNP is dead in the water and Britain First is barely alive.

I don't think a week passes without some story about a muslim female being attacked is in the news. (Funny how they always go for the weaker individuals - wussys) - maybe that's what he is referring to?
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Interestingly enough, most of those i have seen in the media, they were attacked by other women, usually middle aged and usually black. In fact i saw a verbal exchange in Stratford the other day between a huge black woman and a teenager in a Hijab, i wasn't around to see what trigger the confrontation through
 
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Tefal said:
So why did they not go to the extremely close fabulously wealthy countries
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Syrian's aren't the "right type" of muslims. The sooner the Saudi regime ends the sooner this terror nonsense will stop. Shame we like the cheap oil.
 
Angilion said:
Once again, you are helpfully explicitly stating that you believe that a person's sex is what they are, that it wholly defines them.

I certainly do have an issue with that.

If you don't think that being male is better than being female, why are you proud of being male? Being proud of something that you don't see as being better than the alternative(s) doesn't make any sense. So I have an issue with that, too.

You ignored my first reason completely and gave no counter-argument to my second reason. I have an issue with that, too.

So yes, I do have issues. With your posts. Of course, since you think that a person's sex is the be all and end all, you assume that means that I have issues with your sex.
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I can't even be bothered with this tit for tat, you're making assumptions and putting the words you want in my mouth (where on earth did I say sex was the be all and end all or that one is better than the other? You're talking nonsense). I simply couldn't care any less for more discussion on the matter. Needless to say, we're so far removed from the topic of conversation I'll catalogue this ramble along with the rest of the pedantic and absurd BS in here.
 
kitch9 said:
You mean the ones with huge stockpiles or rubber bullets, tear gas, water cannons and ruthless law enforcement?

Can't think why.
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You make it sound like that is a widespread problem? As if immigrants are facing swathes of brutal police, beating them down with weapons and it's the wild West in what should be a pretty benign and liberal EU.
 
Tefal said:
So why did they not go to the extremely close fabulously wealthy countries
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I'm guessing obviously but the prospect for self betterment plays a huge part in their decision, for the UK specifically the old lingua Franka is bound to crop up along with perhaps a hope to cause trouble and get revenge on the eu may be even to kill camoron.

Obviously there's millions of refugees so there's probably millions of reasons, I know I would be over here if I'd had the misfortune to have been born in one of the countries we've attacked illegally since 2001.

I just hope bliar and camoron suffer greatly perhaps even die as a result of the stupid decisions they took because of their Atlantacist political outlook.
 
StriderX said:
Lol, someone's going on the watchlists...
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Lol if you're referring to my post it's sad that we even have watchlists even sadder if hoping for misfortune to befall a criminal or two gets one on a watchlist but at least it indicates how crap life in the UK has become since joining US adventurism in what was gona be a 6 week war paid for by arab oil.
 
RoboCod said:
I can't even be bothered with this tit for tat, you're making assumptions and putting the words you want in my mouth (where on earth did I say sex was the be all and end all or that one is better than the other? You're talking nonsense).
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I'm quoting your posts. So yes, I am talking nonsense - your nonsense.

You wrote, repeatedly, that a person's sex is what they are. Your own words, easily verified by anyone who wants to click back through the posts.

You also wrote that you are proud of being male (and proud of being "white"). Pride is, obviously, dependent on the perception of superiority.

If you don't mean "pride" when you write "pride", perhaps you should stop writing "pride". People might think you mean "pride" when you write "pride".

I'm not making any assumptions. I'm just reading your posts. Which you stand by.
 
thep02 said:
Dang who'd a thunk after attacking and destroying the er axis of er evil that 10's of millions of people would want to leave their destroyed towns and come to relatively close wealthy societies, har ******* har to the neo con ****** that thought it was a good idea.

A surprisingly truthful piece from the Independent

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...e-after-isis-in-the-middle-east-a6860276.html
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They make a good point. War needs to be won, but so does peace. If there isn't a plan for peace, there will be more war because a wrecked country with a power vacuum is a breeding ground for conflict. The power vacuum will almost always be filled by whoever is the most ruthless and violent and best able to rule others who are ruthless and violent (and there will be plenty of those due to the brutalising effect of war and a ruined country). An ideology praising and rewarding that brutality is pretty much inevitable (usually but not always religion). Supporting a compliant dictatorship brutal enough to suppress dissent works in the short term, but it's hardly a reasonable thing to do or a long term solution.
 
Angilion said:
They make a good point. War needs to be won, but so does peace. If there isn't a plan for peace, there will be more war because a wrecked country with a power vacuum is a breeding ground for conflict. The power vacuum will almost always be filled by whoever is the most ruthless and violent and best able to rule others who are ruthless and violent (and there will be plenty of those due to the brutalising effect of war and a ruined country). An ideology praising and rewarding that brutality is pretty much inevitable (usually but not always religion). Supporting a compliant dictatorship brutal enough to suppress dissent works in the short term, but it's hardly a reasonable thing to do or a long term solution.
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The west has no interest in peace what so ever. It started the war on terror to fuel the military industrial complex and during its rather failed proxy war it has found new enemies. Enemies that would rather want peace and trade. The west will however do whatever it can to provoke war, whether it's shoot down a jet, a coup in a country next door or go into the enemies waters. All to keep the economy a float cos there are other players rising and the west is a sore loser.
 
manoz said:
The west has no interest in peace what so ever. It started the war on terror to fuel the military industrial complex and during its rather failed proxy war it has found new enemies. Enemies that would rather want peace and trade. The west will however do whatever it can to provoke war, whether it's shoot down a jet, a coup in a country next door or go into the enemies waters. All to keep the economy a float cos there are other players rising and the west is a sore loser.
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:o Oh dear and here's me thinking it started when some vile, cave-dwelling nutcase murdered 3000 people in New York. I think you'll find that the west does actually quite like peace and compared to other parts of the world, like say the middle-east, is a lot more peaceful. You're right to point out that we don't like losing wars though - we prefer winning them which is why we usually do in the end.
 
But you cant win a War on Terror, it was never supposed to be won, it was supposed to be used to make more terror (One sociological example is killing lots of people's fathers so when they're older they will come to avenge their father's deaths), and that is what has happened since the day after 9/11, it's the reality.

The reality is 10+ years after the War on Terror was declared we now have ISIS. Because these "cave-dwelling nut cases" cannot possibly go to war with the west with their sticks and stones, which is why ISIS is now being physically imported into the west under the guise of "refugees" and "humanitarianism" to try to destabilise western nations internally.

Bit like the War on Drugs but people started realising that it's BS so they had to go to war with more stuff.
 
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