Hitman and AMD in DX12 partnership

[andybird123]

You might be right mate I just remember a hardware review site on here couple months back getting a warning.

Nice site though

He had banner ads.

 

[Mtom]

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Good to see AMD partnering IO Interactive with the latest Hitman game and with a Feb Beta date and March release date, could this be the first "full" DX12 game? I quite enjoy Absolution and will be looking forward to this.

Well release is close, so there's hope it won't suddenly show up in the TWIMTBP page and at the same time the devs run into trouble with the DX12 code and remove it.

I agree what was said before me, that if the game is made for DX11, then the DX12 mode won't bring much benefit.

 

[Dygaza]

i think if the game is made for DX11 as a base, then it wont really take advantage of DX12 features, and the gains will be minimals, it's like doing multiplatform title, the game is coded for console capabilities, like wise here you wont have huge draw calls, and heavy workload on async, i still believe for a game to be truly NEW API title, it need to be exclusive to that API, or maybe later ported to DX11, but since they do both...meh gonna be crap

You do realise console games have had more drawcalls in past than pc games. Devs have needed to tricks and magic to convert those scenes for pc.

Random arcicle by quick googling about this.

On consoles, you can draw maybe 10,000 or 20,000 chunks of geometry in a frame, and you can do that at 30-60fps. On a PC, you can't typically draw more than 2-3,000 without getting into trouble with performance, and that's quite surprising - the PC can actually show you only a tenth of the performance if you need a separate batch for each draw call.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/03/16/farewell-to-directx/2

 

[LoadsaMoney]

This is very good news, much needed for AMD. Let's hope the rumours are true and Tomb Raider gets DX12 as well, then I'll be very happy.

Have to ask Nvidia when they'll release it for TR.

 

[Rroff]

You do realise console games have had more drawcalls in past than pc games. Devs have needed to tricks and magic to convert those scenes for pc.

Random arcicle by quick googling about this.



http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/03/16/farewell-to-directx/2

2 aspects to that - on a console going down to 30fps isn't a problem - on the PC you'd get crucified also largely its developer laziness as they can get away without having to optimise drawcall performance on consoles because other areas hit the wall performance wise first i.e. pixel fillrates - with efficient use of batching techniques/single surface systems, etc. you can render levels of detail on the PC a console can't get close to.

 

[Gregster]

It would certainly be a good thing for Hitman to come with DX12 and use ACE. I could see this giving AMD a good leap and if it is indeed true that Nvidia can't do Async in parallel, at least we get a heads up all round.

 

[nashathedog]

Have to ask Nvidia when they'll release it for TR.

My guess is once there new cards show the performance improvements in it.

It would certainly be a good thing for Hitman to come with DX12 and use ACE. I could see this giving AMD a good leap and if it is indeed true that Nvidia can't do Async in parallel, at least we get a heads up all round.

I'd be surprised if it's taking full advantage of DX12 and giving GCN much of an advantage over Nvidia, The company behind the game and the dev's will probably be under pressure not too allow that.

 

[Gregster]

I'd be surprised if it's taking full advantage of DX12 and giving GCN much of an advantage over Nvidia, The company behind the game and the dev's will probably be under pressure not too allow that.

Agreed Nasha but AMD apparently have developers 'on site', so you never know and if they can get one over NVidia, I wouldn't blame them.

 

[Mtom]

So as i heard the dx11 version will not get all the visuals the dx12 will get.
Performance may be not far from each other, but dx12 will look better.
I hope those effects will be optional, so turning them off can show us some apples to apples comparison.
Devs said it will use async compute for dx12, so that might give GCN the upper hand.

 

[Gregster]

AMD are claiming that their GCN is the only GPUs capable of running Async. I have an article on my site showing what is what but not going to link it but Hitman allegedly uses Async

 

[LoadsaMoney]

AMD are claiming that their GCN is the only GPUs capable of running Async. I have an article on my site showing what is what but not going to link it but Hitman allegedly uses Async

Then when the performance reviews come out, AMDs cards will be around 5/10fps+ slower than Nvidias cards, as per usual

 

[Gregster]

Then when the performance reviews come out, AMDs cards will be around 5/10fps+ slower than Nvidias cards, as per usual

I would love to see AMD catch a break for once and depending how down and dirty AMD want to get could well give them that break. Time will tell and not long to find out at what level DX12 is playing at.

 

[tommybhoy]

They picked the wrong title to give them a break, Hitman's getting dogs already for going episodic, not point throwing cash at Hitman when they should have thrown it at ROTTR instead.

Couldn't you just have linked the article G, it's not is if you haven't linked anything before:

AMD Radeon™ GPUs for blazingly fast DirectX® 12 performance1 featuring AMD's advanced Graphics Core Next (GCN) architecture, which is currently the only architecture in the world that supports DX12's asynchronous shading

https://community.amd.com/community...blade-stealth-plus-razer-core-gaming-solution

 

[Gregster]

I am at work Tommy or would have linked the AMD statement and trying to copy and paste and link is a nightmare on my phone

ROTTR has a DX12 link in one of the folders apparently and that might well have been planned but canned or might still get a DX12 makeover but being sponsored by Nvidia, I wouldn't expect it to use Async lol. Maybe some ROVs or CRs though

 

[tommybhoy]

Here is the official statement released by AMD on Hitman:

AMD is once again partnering with IO Interactive to bring an incredible Hitman gaming experience to the PC. As the newest member to the AMD Gaming Evolved program, Hitman will feature top-flight effects and performance optimizations for PC gamers.
Hitman will leverage unique DX12 hardware found in only AMD Radeon GPUs—called asynchronous compute engines—to handle heavier workloads and better image quality without compromising performance. PC gamers may have heard of asynchronous compute already, and Hitman demonstrates the best implementation of this exciting technology yet. By unlocking performance in GPUs and processors that couldn’t be touched in DirectX 11, gamers can get new performance out of the hardware they already own.
AMD is also looking to provide an exceptional experience to PC gamers with high-end PCs, collaborating with IO Interactive to implement AMD Eyefinity and ultrawide support, plus super-sample anti-aliasing for the best possible AA quality.
This partnership is a journey three years in the making, which started with Hitman: Absolution in 2012, a top seller in Europe and widely critically acclaimed. PC technical reviewers lauded all the knobs and dials that pushed GPUs of the time to their limit. That was no accident. With on-staff game developers, source code and effects, the AMDGaming Evolved program helps developers to bring the best out of a GPU. And now in 2016, Hitman gets the same PC-focused treatment with AMD and IO Interactive to ensure that the series’ newest title represents another great showcase for PC gaming!

legitreviews take on Async Compute:

Hitman is going to be a DX12 game title and AMD is hoping that AMD Radeon GPUs will shine since they have full hardware support for asynchronous compute. NVIDIA is having to rely on their software drivers to to handle asynchronous compute. The good news is that both companies are able to fully support Async Compute and it will be interesting to see how the two approaches work out when it comes to compromising performance. This AAA game title should finally show how Async Compute Engines will be handled by current GPUs. We are sure that AMD’s upcoming Polaris and NVIDIA’s upcoming Pascal GPU architectures will both offer full hardware support for Async Compute, but both aren’t due out until later this year.
Read more at http://www.legitreviews.com/hitman-beta-pc-system-requirements-announced_178991#c3c3sw62PMEDj1vU.99

 

[Gregster]

Nice find

 

[jupiter_man]

nice one Tommy!!

 

[AMDJoe]

Played Hitman a few weeks ago on a widescreen 4K FreeSync monitor with a single Fury X. Smooth 60FPS with no performance issues. Should note that it was an alpha build (DX11) so when I set the settings to max I couldn't actually tell if worked or not. Will have to see what performance is like during the beta.

It will be interesting to see how the episodic stuff works out. I like that there will be random "hits" in the game for a limited time. So you get a notification on your phone that a target needs to be killed and then you have 24 hours to kill him. If you don't kill him then that's it. you won't get the opportunity again.

 

[nashathedog]

Played Hitman a few weeks ago on a widescreen 4K FreeSync monitor with a single Fury X. Smooth 60FPS with no performance issues. Should note that it was an alpha build (DX11) so when I set the settings to max I couldn't actually tell if worked or not. Will have to see what performance is like during the beta.

It will be interesting to see how the episodic stuff works out. I like that there will be random "hits" in the game for a limited time. So you get a notification on your phone that a target needs to be killed and then you have 24 hours to kill him. If you don't kill him then that's it. you won't get the opportunity again.

What settings did you get a consistent 60 fps with?

 

[shankly1985]

I might after get into this but the episodic is really putting me off.. Happened with Resident evil 2 Rev I just waited till the full game was released before buying.