Income tax must rise 3p to stop NHS 'staggering from year to year'

George Hincapie · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:00

**** that. Just no.

In fact, they should just abolish it entirely and have private health care.

Skeeter · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:02

George Hincapie said:
**** that. Just no.

In fact, they should just abolish it entirely and have private health care.

Yeah, seems to work really well in America.

George Hincapie · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:02

neil_g said:
what if you cant afford insurance?

Then just die. You're clearly a drain on the rest of society and we are better off without that sort.

George Hincapie · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:03

Skeeter said:
Yeah, seems to work really well in America.

It does for the people that provide for themselves.

chris_h · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:03

Skeeter said:
So nobody would be able to use the NHS free at the point of delivery until they are about 19, at the earliest?

What? I said migrants.

Also, I believe if you are British and leave the country for than 6 months you loose your entitlement to free NHS care. Correct me if I am wrong.

danielanthony · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:04

Tunney said:
A 3% increase in income tax would cost me significantly more than £500 a year, I own a house (with mortgage) in central-ish London and I have a baby.

I still want a well-funded NHS, even if I have to pay a disproportionately large amount for it.

My point is that not everyone can afford to loose thousands of pounds per year due to a large rise in income tax, its great that you have a large amount of disposable income but not everyone else has. Different cirumstances and all that.

I'd also like to point out that if you're happy to pay more, there's nothing stopping you making voluntary contributions to HMRC, you don't need to wait to be forced into paying more.

danielanthony · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:05

George Hincapie said:
Then just die. You're clearly a drain on the rest of society and we are better off without that sort.

In Ireland they charge 30 euros to see the GP.

People aren't dying on the street.

Stelly · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:06

What worries me more is the amount of money that goes into the 'NHS Black Hole' as in no one knows where it has gone... now in any other company/organisation that would not be tolerated!

Stelly

Trifid · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:06

George Hincapie said:
Then just die. You're clearly a drain on the rest of society and we are better off without that sort.

Fortunately this isn't a popular opinion.

danielanthony said:
Thats great, but might only cost you £500 per year but might cost me £2000.

You might have no children/mortgage, whereas I might have 4 children and live in the South East which means having a gigantic mortgage compared to living up north.

Do you not want a good NHS for yourself, spouse and 4 children? Having such a big family, it should be very much in your interest to have a good universal health service.

Tefal · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:07

Housey said:
There is so much wrong with the infrastructure and use of the NHS that simply adding 3p to our tax bill will not solve anything. It needs to be broken down and started again, which would cost us massively in the short term by make the foundations better for generations to come. We can't keep putting sticking plasters on our core infrastructure.

A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.

won't happen though, we're too selfish. our children must pay for our current standards of living, we cant possibly be expected to pay for theirs!

bloodiedathame · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:07

The amount of money wasted by the NHS needs to be looked at first. Throwing more money at a broken system won't help it in the long run.

George Hincapie · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:07

Trifid said:
Fortunately this isn't a popular opinion.

I expect it's more popular than you think; particularly among middle and upper earners.

Tefal · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:08

George Hincapie said:
It does for the people that provide for themselves.

no it doesn't, as those people pay more in tax for health care than you do now, let alone in premiums.

it's actually terrible if you have money as it will cost you so much more.

Skeeter · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:08

chris_h said:
What? I said migrants.

So why does someone who moves here have to pay in for 3 years before they can use a service, while someone who is born here can access it free from day one?

Your point was about directly linking contribution to a service's costs to the individual who then uses that service. If your going to do that, then you need to do it to everyone.

Skeeter · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:09

bloodiedathame said:
The amount of money wasted by the NHS needs to be looked at first. Throwing more money at a broken system won't help it in the long run.

But asking them to fix it without giving them any extra funding isn't really going to help either, is it?

Doing anything will cost money.

drakioned · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:10

I'm a "professional" and I don't hate the idea.

I would want to know that the money is being put to good use though, not just adding more layers of management. My other half has family and friends in the NHS, and none of the medical staff seem that feel that their management are adding much value.

Skeeter · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:14

drakioned said:
I'm a "professional" and I don't hate the idea.

I would want to know that the money is being put to good use though, not just adding more layers of management. My other half has family and friends in the NHS, and none of the medical staff seem that feel that their management are adding much value.

What would you consider as good use?

I'd actually gladly pay an extra 3% to the NHS if I knew they would use it to buy more non emergency/elective services from private companies. But thats because I'm not a retard and understand how that would help the NHS, rather than go "OMG Privatization!!" at the sheer mention of someone outside the NHS doing anything NHS funded.

chris_h · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:14

Skeeter said:
So why does someone who moves here have to pay in for 3 years before they can use a service, while someone who is born here can access it free from day one?

Your point was about directly linking contribution to a service's costs to the individual who then uses that service. If your going to do that, then you need to do it to everyone.

you answered your own question. Because they were born here.

My point is directly linking contributions to the NHS for migrants. I don't see why this is a problem, the UK can not heal the world as it can not be sustained.

How would you solve the problem without raising taxes?

Kemik · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:15

chris_h said:
I don't work for the office of national statistics sorry. I would be in favour of an insurance type system, similar to what my mother does in Australia. She even has to pay for an ambulance on her insurance!

Ah okay, so you're just someone who comes up with wild ideas without thinking them through or how feasible vs cost they are?

scorza said:
Agreed. Only way to run the NHS is to adequately fund it, the Labour government did this, and we started to see some improvements but then the Tories came in with their cuts and reforms demanded by US health insurance companies and we're back in a state of perpetual crisis.

It's easy to fund something when you have unlimited credit and don't think when you'll need to pay it back.

Skeeter · 18 Feb 2016 at 12:16

chris_h said:
you answered your own question. Because they were born here.

My point is directly linking contributions to the NHS for migrants. I don't see why this is a problem, the UK can not heal the world as it is not be sustained.

How would you solve the problem without raising taxes?

See the post above this one.