North Wales Police deliberately mow down dog

ttaskmaster said:
^ This.

If the dog running around all over the place was THAT much of a threat to drivers, how come it just sat there and let itself get run over?

It's not any threat to drivers, who can simply come to a stop and sit there with windows safely rolled up and the radio on. In fact, it's harder to keep people from getting out and helping!

Cops have these hazard lights and FLIPPIN' BRIGHT flashy blue lights and road cones and warning triangles and a FLIPPIN' MASSIVE great car, with which to close the road and warn people.
As mentioned, there are plenty of matrix signs along this stretch, too.

With all that going on, any driver who fails to stop probably needs their licence taken away.
But as is, drivers generally aren't that bad - I've seen plenty of similar incidents on the busy 3-lane A road near my house, where big-ass frightened deer, sheep, horses and dogs were running all over the road during far busier and far faster traffic than this.
Rarely have the Police arrived within half an hour, but not once was a motorist or a motor vehicle even damaged by the errant animal, not once was the animal hit and not once did anyone have to run it over to solve the problem.

This force probably has K9 units, as well as a nearby RSPCA peeps and even other officers experienced handling errant animals.

Plus, the cops themselves both have dogs - They should know not to approach a scared animal or expect it will bite.

Very badly handled, Mr Nicknick...
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A driver stopped on the unlit portions of the a55 is very likley to end in a major accident.

You think a driver should be able to safely stop from 70mph in the time it takes to see a dog that has run in front of a car?
 
Tefal said:
A driver stopped on the unlit portions of the a55 is very likley to end in a major accident.

You think a driver should be able to safely stop from 70mph in the time it takes to see a dog that has run in front of a car?
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Except of course that whole section of the A55 is very well lit and has excellent visibilty.

http://www.traffic-wales.com/map.aspx?maplayers=cctv&X=266752&Y=373773&ZoomLevel=9#

This whole event seems to be justified by it 'Being unlit/dark' and a 'Danger to Traffic' - of which there would have been very, very little at 3am.

Now let's see if it's justifiable again.. On a well lit road with hardly any traffic? How is it justifiable now? No danger to the Public, just a nuisance.

Yes hindsight is a wonderful thing, you can bet your life North Wales Police now wish they'd have dealt with it differently. ;)
 
ttaskmaster said:
Friend of mine used to say the same thing.
She took a badger to the front offside corner of her Renault Clio. She ended up rolling, going way off the road and into the land about 40 feet further on. Months later, after she got out of hospital and back behind the wheel, she took great pains to avoid animals.


That and a fool, too. It's surprising how much damage hitting animals can cause, even in cars. On the bike, I even have to take care to avoid rabbits.
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Your friend hit a badger and it rolled her car? I struggle to believe this. However, if true, it is probably more of a complete freak accident than the norm...or something else played a part in the car rolling?

Bike is a completely different story.

Yes animals of small sizes can make a mess of the front of your car, swerving to avoid them (usually animal encounters happen in country lanes?) could lead to a whole manner of grim scenarios...
 
Jokester said:
A car and a truck had already had to swerve to avoid the dog, so yes I would say it was busy enough to justify dealing with it.
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Oi Jokester, stop letting facts and reason get in the way of blind hysteria and police bashing!
 
balky12 said:
Yes animals of small sizes can make a mess of the front of your car, swerving to avoid them (usually animal encounters happen in country lanes?) could lead to a whole manner of grim scenarios...
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I think this is what a lot of people are failing to comprehend. Hitting a dog will make a bit of a mess of your car but not much more than that. But if you see it (because it's a well lit road at night...) and you swerve and lose control and wrap your car round a tree or lamp post probably isn't going to result in a particularly great outcome.
 
Jokester said:
I think this is what a lot of people are failing to comprehend. Hitting a dog will make a bit of a mess of your car but not much more than that. But if you see it (because it's a well lit road at night...) and you swerve and lose control and wrap your car round a tree or lamp post probably isn't going to result in a particularly great outcome.
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I don't understand how people can''t understand? Also on a motorway you a probably doing 70? Maybe more at 3a.m in the morning. A quick swerve isn't something a lot of people will know how to control at that speed. Slamming on the brakes won't help much either... stopping distances and all that.
 
balky12 said:
Your friend hit a badger and it rolled her car? I struggle to believe this. However, if true, it is probably more of a complete freak accident than the norm...or something else played a part in the car rolling?

Bike is a completely different story.

Yes animals of small sizes can make a mess of the front of your car, swerving to avoid them (usually animal encounters happen in country lanes?) could lead to a whole manner of grim scenarios...
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what more likely happened is that she swerved to avoid it and clipped the badger, the combination of the 2 could causing her car to roll. which certainly adds credence to the argument that the animal posed a significant threat as it was causing motorists to swerve to avoid it
 
Most people's survival reaction is to swerve.


They dont think "oh hitting something isnt actually likley to hurt me" thier brain goes "**** something, swerve!!!"
 
balky12 said:
Your friend hit a badger and it rolled her car? I struggle to believe this. However, if true, it is probably more of a complete freak accident than the norm...or something else played a part in the car rolling?

Bike is a completely different story.

Yes animals of small sizes can make a mess of the front of your car, swerving to avoid them (usually animal encounters happen in country lanes?) could lead to a whole manner of grim scenarios...
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A friend of my mother's had the same sort of thing happen, it wrapped itself around the axle causing the car to go off the road into a ditch.
From what I can remember as part of the process of wrapping itself around the wheel, it basically locked it up.
 
I hit a badger in my old car and it was like crashing into a mini brick wall, it was a really loud and forceful impact. Split the bumper and made some of the trim come out and fly down the road!

Most 'proper' accidents involving animals are caused by trying to avoid them rather than actually hitting them. Unless it is something rather large like a stag.
 
People swerve out the way to avoid damaging their car.

You hit a dog at 50mph and the damage can be extensive. Birds I don't care for but dogs and cats I will try my best to avoid.

I think I have killed one cat on the road, it was 4am I was going to work driving on 40mph road and it darted out, had no time to react. :(

Police were right on this very rare occasion.
 
I think as lot of people are missing a vital detail. This was not a domesticated pet dog it was a hunt hound.

This makes two big changes, one the animal (which had already bitten an officer) was likely to but significantly more dangerous then a pet.

The other is that hunt hounds often don't get to live to the end of their natural lives. A hound will often be put down if it gets ill or injured or just too old to hunt. And in believe in this case the hounds owners had given permission for the animal to be destroyed.
 
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