***** The Official Division Thread *****

oweneades said:
Assuming a similar life span the same would also be true for the Division. The season pass will only include a set number of DLC's. At a point there will be additional paid for content above and beyond what the base game + season pass offers. Think TTK for people who already owned the base game + Season pass for Destiny.
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Destiny is pretty unique here IMO. That only happened because Bungie couldn't decide what the game should be.

The original plan was 3 DLCs in year One, a massive comet DLC at the end of year one, then three more DLCs in year Two. Then Destiny 2. However the first DLC expansions they released got slated for being poor and not worth the money. They realized that the fans wouldn't buy that many DLCs, so the "Comet DLC" became The Taken King.

THe original idea was that it was going to be a £40 DLC, but after the bad rep of the first batch of DLC they had to change the retail price of the £40 DLC to include the original game again to try and make it easier for new players who would otherwise have had to buy £40 taken king, season pass at £30 for the 3 DLCs and the original game. They shafted the original gamers in favour of bringing the new ones online. Nobody else has done anything like this and i'm not expecting Ubisoft to do the same after the flack Ubisoft / Bungie got for doing it and I doubt Bungie will repeat this model for Destiny 2.

Fans just aren't willing to buy tons of DLC every year like warcraft gamers do, Warcraft has the content to make it worthwhile, Destiny doesn't. That was their original model which they had to abandon and cut down how much paid DLC they were pushing. The backlash was too great. And now Destiny is totaly bereft of new content, and details of new content is scarce, because they're concentrating on Destiny 2. So whatever they do release, it will be just enough to keep the money coming in until Destiny 2 in October / November time this year.

I think the fact that this is a Massive / Ubisoft game, and not another Activision game, should re-assure you that the Division team are desperate to avoid making the same mistakes destiny did. That and the fact the original plan of 3 DLCs, plus a "big" DLC, plus 3 more DLCs had to be abandoned tells you Activision / Bungie knew it didn't work.
 
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Davey_Pitch said:
It sounds awesome to me, in that you can only do it with your current co-op partners, and it seems only with items you get in that session. It stops high level players just stockpiling weapons and giving them to lower level friends, but it does mean if I get a great weapon as a mission reward, but it's not quite as good as my main weapon, I can hand it off to a teammate who can use it. That kind of system would've been perfect in Destiny as well, as I got about 3 GHorns before my friends got them, but they loads of Black Hammers before I got mine.
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it does mean however that you can help lower ranked friends through "hard" missions and give them the loot you don't want.

Zatoichi.uK said:
I'm still amazed at the huge dick move Bungie did for TTK. Early adopters were royally shafted.
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They ****** up. They though they could stick another £40 DLC, on top of the £40 game, on top of the three paid DLCs they had already released in the season pass, and new gamers would keep coming. They were losing players fed up of replaying the same content over and over again but just in reverse, so needed an influx of new players. And most new players a year after launch weren't willing to part with that kind of money for a game so the whole plan had to get revised. I very much doubt we'll see another £40 DLC for Destiny 2.
 
davisdavid said:
Anyone got the dispatch email from Amazon? I cancelled the pre order and went digital thinking Amazon Prime might let me down for the first time ever but if people start getting dispatch emails today I might switch back and try get some early access action in.
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Bigpig said:
So can we expect a bunch of dispatch emails today? :D

with amazon myself and have never used them for a preorder!!
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Says will dispatch tomorrow for me. I've had my pre-order for weeks.
 
Fr0dders said:
Destiny is pretty unique here IMO. That only happened because Bungie couldn't decide what the game should be.

The original plan was 3 DLCs in year One, a massive comet DLC at the end of year one, then three more DLCs in year Two. Then Destiny 2. However the first DLC expansions they released got slated for being poor and not worth the money. They realized that the fans wouldn't buy that many DLCs, so the "Comet DLC" became The Taken King.

THe original idea was that it was going to be a £40 DLC, but after the bad rep of the first batch of DLC they had to change the retail price of the £40 DLC to include the original game again to try and make it easier for new players who would otherwise have had to buy £40 taken king, season pass at £30 for the 3 DLCs and the original game. They shafted the original gamers in favour of bringing the new ones online. Nobody else has done anything like this and i'm not expecting Ubisoft to do the same after the flack Ubisoft / Bungie got for doing it and I doubt Bungie will repeat this model for Destiny 2.

Fans just aren't willing to buy tons of DLC every year like warcraft gamers do, Warcraft has the content to make it worthwhile, Destiny doesn't. That was their original model which they had to abandon and cut down how much paid DLC they were pushing. The backlash was too great. And now Destiny is totaly bereft of new content, and details of new content is scarce, because they're concentrating on Destiny 2. So whatever they do release, will be just enough to keep the money coming in until Destiny 2 in October / November time this year.
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True dat. DLC generally isn't worth it on most games as it rarely alters the gameplay or mechanics. Whilst I enjoyed TTK it pretty much signalled the end for Destiny '1' for me. Subtle changes were all it needed - trading and matchmaking across the game modes are the two main ones that spring to mind. Bungie tried to make Destiny too many things and didn't nail any of them down. I suspect Destiny 2 will be a marked improvement but they need to start pedalling their PR machine soon.

The Division will take a fair chunk of Destiny player base so hopefully that will give Bungie a little kick up the backside and if that fails then No Man's Sky will give it another kick I suspect. Not going to say everyone will ditch Destiny blah blah blah cos it ain't true but hopefully a few good game releases will make them rethink their approach a little and make for a great Destiny 2.
 
Fr0dders said:
it does mean however that you can help lower ranked friends through "hard" missions and give them the loot you don't want.
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Potentially, but as hard missions scale the loot up, you will likely find that the loot you get couldn't be used by the lower level players anyway, not until they level up.

I'm sure there will be ways to abuse it, but I think the were they're doing it will minimise things a bit.
 
Davey_Pitch said:
Potentially, but as hard missions scale the loot up, you will likely find that the loot you get couldn't be used by the lower level players anyway, not until they level up.

I'm sure there will be ways to abuse it, but I think the were they're doing it will minimise things a bit.
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I don't see this as abuse, its just going to be a great way to help your friends. Even if it does drop at your rank, and it isn't capped (so level 30 loot can drop in the first mission) it still gives them a chance to stockpile good stuff for when they do rank up.

davisdavid said:
True dat. DLC generally isn't worth it on most games as it rarely alters the gameplay or mechanics. Whilst I enjoyed TTK it pretty much signalled the end for Destiny '1' for me. Subtle changes were all it needed - trading and matchmaking across the game modes are the two main ones that spring to mind. Bungie tried to make Destiny too many things and didn't nail any of them down. I suspect Destiny 2 will be a marked improvement but they need to start pedalling their PR machine soon.
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depends. I've got real enjoyment from the battlefield DLC over the years. I tend to play one game, and one game only, but to death. I put 900 + hours into destiny, 800 hours into battefield 3, 300 hours into battlefield 4 etc.. When you play a game that long, the DLC helps keep the enjoyment longer.

I've bought the gold edition, as I quite like the sound of the stuff you get with the season pass as exclusives, and buying Gold Edition season pass works out at £20. £20 for 3 DLCs and all the season pass stuff sounds about right for me.

ps3ud0 said:
Didnt spot any mention of 'raids' so might not be for year one...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Interestingly, reddit is taking the content trailer as the confirmation that the end game activity is the "incursions" and that end game will be 4 man only content. There will be no "raid" requiring more than a fire team. Some seem to be happy about it, notably those that struggled to get a team together to do raids in Destiny and expected to be able to just walk in and match make in them.

So keeps the casuals happy. Million dollar question is will it be enough to keep the end game interesting. Will have to wait and see. I'm not personally desperate for a raid mode.
 
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Fr0dders said:
depends. I've got real enjoyment from the battlefield DLC over the years. I tend to play one game, and one game only, but to death. I put 900 + hours into destiny, 800 hours into battefield 3, 300 hours into battlefield 4 etc.. When you play a game that long, the DLC helps keep the enjoyment longer.

I've bought the gold edition, as I quite like the sound of the stuff you get with the season pass as exclusives, and buying Gold Edition season pass works out at £20. £20 for 3 DLCs and all the season pass stuff sounds about right for me.
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For some games it does, for me Civ 5 and CoH, Dota to an extent but that's more patch than DLC. If it keeps the player enjoyment then that's all you can ask for. I was thinking TR, Batman, COD amongst others that add very little if anything.

Got the gold edition too, really enjoyed the Beta although always in a team of at least 2 but mainly 4. Really Really looking forward to the Darkzone.

Fr0dders said:
Interestingly, reddit is taking the content trailer as the confirmation that the end game activity is the "incursions" and that end game will be 4 man only content. There will be no "raid" requiring more than a fire team. Some seem to be happy about it, notably those that struggled to get a team together to do raids in Destiny and expected to be able to just walk in and match make in them.

So keeps the casuals happy. Million dollar question is will it be enough to keep the end game interesting. Will have to wait and see. I'm not personally desperate for a raid mode.
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This is one of the bonuses of The Division for me, I only ever had 3 or 4 Destiny players in my friends list and they were never all online at the same time. Was only when I started using the Destiny page on here I got a fireteam to raid. Now my gripe is the squad size on the Division is too small haha.
 
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Fr0dders said:
Interestingly, reddit is taking the content trailer as the confirmation that the end game activity is the "incursions" and that end game will be 4 man only content. There will be no "raid" requiring more than a fire team. Some seem to be happy about it, notably those that struggled to get a team together to do raids in Destiny and expected to be able to just walk in and match make in them.

So keeps the casuals happy. Million dollar question is will it be enough to keep the end game interesting. Will have to wait and see. I'm not personally desperate for a raid mode.
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I think if they apply something like the mentioned Challenge Mode to the Incursions it could give them some real replayability.

And I've gotta admit, as someone who loved soloing really hard Destiny content, I'm already wondering whether it'll be possible for me to solo an Incursion :D
 
davisdavid said:
Anyone got the dispatch email from Amazon? I cancelled the pre order and went digital thinking Amazon Prime might let me down for the first time ever but if people start getting dispatch emails today I might switch back and try get some early access action in.
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Nothing yet..... Tempted to do the PSN / CD Keys trick this evening if I don't hear anything
 
LackyT said:
Nothing yet..... Tempted to do the PSN / CD Keys trick this evening if I don't hear anything
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Track your order

mine says dispatching tomorrow on the tracking.

Davey_Pitch said:
I think if they apply something like the mentioned Challenge Mode to the Incursions it could give them some real replayability.

And I've gotta admit, as someone who loved soloing really hard Destiny content, I'm already wondering whether it'll be possible for me to solo an Incursion :D
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On the subject of end game content. Found this

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-divisions-season-pass-and-post-launch-plans-de/1100-6435291/

What is an Incursion and are you planning to develop more over the course of the year?

An Incursion is a PvE end-game activity for a group of four players at max level. Incursions require preparation and coordination as they are extremely challenging. The first incursion will be available in the first free update. More Incursions are in development, but it is too soon to talk about these without spoiling them
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So the end game co-op content is definitely only a 4 man affair. But they do read very raid like in that they "require preparation and co-ordination and are extremely challenging" just they are only 4 people max. Good enough for me.

Really a fan of this too

Is there anything else you’d like us to know about the Season Pass?

We’ve decided to be ambitious with the innovation in the DLC expansions. At the heart of each one is a completely new experience; we’re not primarily adding a little bit "more of the same" of what’s available at launch. We want to build on the experience that’s within the game.
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LackyT said:
I don't have that option :confused: :(

All I have is:

Delivery estimate: Tuesday, 8 March 2016 by 8:00pm

Or Cancel Order
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do you not have this in your orders page ?

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Hearing about the 4 man 'raids' I have to admit Im disappointed, personally all the game is, is getting to that max level (because that never takes that much time to do compared to length of time youve played) to play such things and by then you probably are playing with like minded friends so doing anything in-game with a 4 is second nature.

Limiting a 'raid' to that same formula just seems a smaller event and likely far less complex, though I can imagine trying to make something for 8 players isnt easy. Perhaps theyll take a SWAT approach and spilt you up to do objectives at the same time or something...

Its not like I dont enjoy all the stuff in the beta, the PvE on face value is tolerable (dependent on how lengthy it takes to level up and more importantly obtain purples/golds) while the real drive is the DZ IMO.

One thing I do like and hope is correct is that the season pass cover Year One activities so throwing £40 a year isnt the worse thing if they match/exceeded the first pass.

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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