Tories giving the disabled another kicking

The Mad Rapper said:
Should we? Look to nature; the herd sheds the weak.
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What a repulsive thing to say. That's the same as saying disabled people should be left to die.

Anyway, it's totally wrong. We are humans, not animals. Excavations have found Neanderthal bones where legs and other bones had healed from bad debilitating breaks. The only way for them to survive and recover would have been for the fellow Neanderthals to care for them, which they obviously did.

So basically your point is rubbish.
 
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The Mad Rapper said:
Personal attacks now?
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Get a grip man... You are coming across really badly.

If this isn't just internet bravado you are one of the coldest people i've ever read on here. GG !

Im sure cuts can arguably be made but you don't have to gloat about it like this...
 
robfosters said:
I never expected cuts to be this drastic.

As you say, i don't like the way many taxpayers feel like I owe them some kind of explanation and budget sheets.
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As a tax payer I have no issue with people in need getting help when needed, what I don't like though is obvious and blatant abuse of power the government have used to basically help themself's at the expense of everyone else. I didn't vote for the Tories because I knew they would back peddle on everything and screw over the working/low income class. Which is exactly what they are doing.

The next general election can't come soon enough, as for the EU vote, I'm voting out. If only to wipe that smug grin off Cameron's face.
 
Pawnless Endgame said:
I do think though that the assessments for the changeover to PIP should have been carried out with medical professionals, not out-sourced Atos/Capita who knows nothing about you.
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Nope still done by ATOS/Capita.

robfosters said:
Problem is because they have shifted the emphasis from what conditions you have to how they affect you, they now firmly believe that reviews can be done without medical professionals in most cases. There has been numerous appeals where someone has been refused their claim and as soon as a medical professional has looked at it at the appeals stage, the decision has been reversed, which shows that the ATOS/Capita lot just don't have the required skills to make fair and accurate decisions.
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The reviews/assessments are carried out by a medical professional employed by ATOS/Capita usually a Nurse.

The ATOS/Capita assessors DO NOT MAKE DECISIONS they merely file a report the decisions are made by DWP Decision Makers.

Initial appeals/mandatory reconsideration are not carried out by a medical professional or even someone with medical knowledge its done by the person sat at the desk next to the original Decision Maker so anything can happen.

The only time a medical professional gets involved is if you disagree with the Mandatory Reconsideration and go to Tribunal this is carried out in Magistrate Court with a Judge and a Dr.

My Tribunal for ESA was heard in January, the really stupid thing is though, that although the Judge/Dr found in my favor its only afterwards when you get the paperwork from the court that you find out it isn't legally binding so DWP can stick two fingers up at the courts decision anyway, so after months of stress and worry it still may not go my way :(

Although the Judge was impressed with DWP's recommendation that I undertake training in Performing Arts in North Wales when I live in Cornwall. :eek:
 
robfosters said:
What a repulsive thing to say. That's the same as saying disabled people should be left to die.

Anyway, it's totally wrong. We are humans, not animals. Excavations have found Neanderthal bones where legs and other bones had healed from bad debilitating breaks. The only way for them to survive and recover would have been for the fellow Neanderthals to care for them, which they obviously did.

So basically your point is rubbish.
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While I don't necessarily agree with him morally. You're wrong.

We are animals, as much as many humans like to distance themselves from that fact. There is very little to differentiate us from any other animal. Not recognizing that we are animals is just another way of trying to distance ourselves from the fact we are not "special" or "above" other animals. We are just another species of animals, just one that is very good at advanced tool useage (as opposed to basic tool useage which is prevalent throughout a fair number of other species).

He however is also wrong, a lot of other species also look after the weak and dying, especially other primates.
 
Efour said:
If this isn't just internet bravado you are one of the coldest people i've ever read on here. GG !
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I don't get this. I get pressured to contribute, so I do. Then people cry when they don't like what they read? You guys can't have it all ways.

Im sure cuts can arguably be made but you don't have to gloat about it like this...
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Where is the gloating? I started posting because people were complaining about benefits being cut; they should feel lucky they are getting anything. If I throw you a crumb from my table be grateful, don't complain because it's not a steak.

I am not gloating about it, I'm just not irrationally emotional about it.
 
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Boo Radley75 said:
Tory MP, Robert Halfon is disabled. Because of this and despite having no problem driving and living 30 miles from Westminster, he gets to claim £25,000 a year expenses to stay in a posh exclusive club in the capital. He voted to slash ESA. Hypocrite much?
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The gloating is the very sentence you ask where you gloat... Again...

im not one of these guys btw.

its just a horrible state of affairs. Not much empathy. Whatever though I don't really care.

And you are being cold about it? What more is there to not get ? That is just my worthless opinion.

raise tax by 1% across the board, so the disabled can keep their GTX980s. See#?

Cut state pensions 3% Cut Winter Fuel payments completely. If you cant afford to stay warm you should just die. Survival of the warmest..
 
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The Mad Rapper said:
I've been very careful not to insult any of you and expect the same.

You don't have to like what I am posting, but that's my opinion and this is a forum so...
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I'm not stopping you posting your opinion on a public forum, far from it, I am just responding with my opinion and I am finding you highly entertaining, keep it up!

Amp34 said:
While I don't necessarily agree with him morally. You're wrong.

We are animals, as much as many humans like to distance themselves from that fact. There is very little to differentiate us from any other animal.
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Of course, apart from our cognitive reasoning, language development leading to our complex social and economic society. Our ability to transcend base emotion with rational thought, creativity and expression. Building civilisations with greater aims and ideals than 'survival of the fittest' (that doesn't actually exist anyway)

Combined with our exceptional tool using abilities that have allowed us to initially start fires to now virtually control the fabric of space and time (which you nonchalantly brushed over)

Yep, apart from those things we are just like every other animal on this planet :p
 
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