Bumped into an old friend today...

Jamesyboyjim said:
Thanks for the words of wisdom ocuk!

As for locking someone up in a cellar, I honestly wish some type of charity offered this 'service'. My sister who is a long term drug addict is just so self defeated and refuses to do anything about her situation, nothing is her fault, the whole world is to blame for everything in her life.

If I could have her locked away until she's withdrawn completely from drugs I would, not sure if this would also change her infuriating and childish attitude though.
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This doesn't work. You are missing (well, you did touch on it) a vital component of the drug circle and that's the mental side. You can withdraw from the physical effects but unless you actually WANT to stop, you will just go out again and get high.
 
ubern00b said:
This doesn't work. You are missing (well, you did touch on it) a vital component of the drug circle and that's the mental side. You can withdraw from the physical effects but unless you actually WANT to stop, you will just go out again and get high.
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I do agree with what you're saying, but I'd hope that nobody wants to be an addict, and its the craving wears down the mind set. I'd hope that once the physical aspect was dealt with, attitudes would improve. Obviously I can only guess.

But then I suppose people stay clean for years and then relapse, so that kind of contradicts what I'm saying.
 
Jamesyboyjim said:
I do agree with what you're saying, but I'd hope that nobody wants to be an addict, and its the craving wears down the mind set. I'd hope that once the physical aspect was dealt with, attitudes would improve. Obviously I can only guess.

But then I suppose people stay clean for years and then relapse, so that kind of contradicts what I'm saying.
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As you obviously don't do drugs or have never, it is quite difficult to understand. No one WANTS to be an addict but the high you get from whatever your chosen substance is so appealing that you can't help yourself. If you could just do it on a Friday night and leave it at that, that is what you would do however the pull of the high is far too strong to be able to do that. Especially a drug like heroin. If you could be "cured" once the physical withdrawal has passed then you wouldn't need "Drug Councillors" would you? They exist to treat the mental withdrawal.
 
V F said:
Hate to think what the long term damage is? Or you see it via Russell Brand?
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Russell Brand is a success story in overcoming addiction. He's not everyone's cup of tea but he does inspire a lot of interest and debate in the things he says. I actually like the guy, but disagree with him on a fair few things.
 
He's a success story? He acts like a scatter brain yet a very rich scatter brain and he's insanely erratic.
 
V F said:
He's a success story? He acts like a scatter brain yet a very rich scatter brain and he's insanely erratic.
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He's a success story when you consider he overcame his addiction and now does a lot of work raising awareness on the matter. Yes he is insanely erratic and that's one of the reasons I like him.
 
V F said:
He's a success story? He acts like a scatter brain yet a very rich scatter brain and he's insanely erratic.
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He's not dead in a ditch and/or mugging old grannies so he can shoot up in a crack den, I agree he's a bit out there and not everyones cup of tea but you can't knock him on the managing to get out of drugs bit.
 
By lying you could potentially make things worse, what if he sees you on that road or coming out your house.

He did say when he sorts himself out maybe we could have a beer together. That doesn't sounds like he wants to impose himself on you but just to have a drink old friend "when he sorts himself out".

I'd rather say no to someone than lie.
 
ubern00b said:
As you obviously don't do drugs or have never, it is quite difficult to understand. No one WANTS to be an addict but the high you get from whatever your chosen substance is so appealing that you can't help yourself. If you could just do it on a Friday night and leave it at that, that is what you would do however the pull of the high is far too strong to be able to do that. Especially a drug like heroin. If you could be "cured" once the physical withdrawal has passed then you wouldn't need "Drug Councillors" would you? They exist to treat the mental withdrawal.
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This. 10% of the worlds population have a different make up which means they cannot use drugs "for fun". They say getting clean is the hard part its staying clean thats the problem. You may get clear of the physical symptoms but once you are an addict you are an addict for life regardless of being physically bound to it.

Anyone who has smoked can agree once you have had a few beers cigs look so tempting no matter how long ago you stopped so heroin must be x amount of times worse.
 
oldestgregg said:
Anyone who has smoked can agree once you have had a few beers cigs look so tempting no matter how long ago you stopped so heroin must be x amount of times worse.
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According to a study I read recently they catagorised drugs based on their dopamine/serotonin reaction to try quantify the high. Cigarettes were around 1.5x baseline and herion was 200x. No wonder people struggle.
 
Lost a good school friend of mine a few years back, he was the cool kid everyone wanted to be friends with, his dad owned a building company and they had the best of the best. Unfortunately his older brother got into hard drugs and he followed him, was sad to see him go downhill and I tried to chat with him at times but he didn't seem with it

I was part of the group that carried his coffin into the service

Things change and our paths went totally different directions, I've got a good job, wife and kids and loving family and feel blessed for that but sad he never got away from
It all :(
 
A childhood friend of mine growing up got into weed when we were both in college, it was the 90s....everyone did. I ended up going to Uni and he went into low paid work. I still knocked around with him all through Uni. But around the time I graduated and went into employment his drug use ramped up and he started taking allsorts.

His parents eventually kicked him out and he ended up moving in with a girl and getting her pregnant. I saw him less and less as he was living miles away. Eventually I moved out and got a flat and he would come and see me. To him everything was normal but I started to feel uneasy around him. He could never afford to come out on a night out with my other mates who I knew from college and Uni. All his money went on drink and drugs consumed in the house...

We kind of drifted apart after that as I made no effort. A couple of years back however he got in contact again. By this time I had bought a house and was engaged to be married. My wife had never met him and I have to admit I was a bit embarrassed to let her. At this stage in my life weekends were going out for meals with friends, DIY and gardening. I was in a circle of working professionals living a quiet life. He was still in and out of work drinking every night and had got himself addicted to painkillers and was just a mess.

I agreed to meet him one night at a local pub for a pint. We were chatting when his phone rang and it was one of his "mates". He told this other lad where we were. Twenty minutes later this other guy turned up already drunk with a bottle of vodka in plastic bag which he had been drinking neat.

He's tried to call me a couple of times since then but I just made excuses and I think he got the picture. I feel bad about it and constantly think I will bump into him and it will be incredibly awkward. But we are living totally different existences now and his world is not one I care to be in or around.
 
oldestgregg said:
This. 10% of the worlds population have a different make up which means they cannot use drugs "for fun". They say getting clean is the hard part its staying clean thats the problem. You may get clear of the physical symptoms but once you are an addict you are an addict for life regardless of being physically bound to it.
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Seems about right, the vast majority of recreational users I know eventually fizzled and reduced their usage over time, I only actually personally know of 2 people who went off the rails, and they were always a bit no-right-in-the-head any way.
 
.Lethal said:
Is it?



I suppose you could take this bit of good advice from the thread, if anything.
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Probably not a popular opinion but I will give money if they well mannered. My wife works as a housing officer for the council and through her Ive learned that nothing is as black and white as "oh,they homeless,they are junkies" etc.

I know a few people who went down the hard drugs path and have since found out a few of them were molested at a young age. I would imagine thats enough to set you on a path its very hard to ever recover from and I consider myself very lucky to have what I have and to of never had to go through that.

Things could have been very different for any of us.:)
 
oldestgregg said:
Probably not a popular opinion but I will give money if they well mannered. My wife works as a housing officer for the council and through her Ive learned that nothing is as black and white as "oh,they homeless,they are junkies" etc.

I know a few people who went down the hard drugs path and have since found out a few of them were molested at a young age. I would imagine thats enough to set you on a path its very hard to ever recover from and I consider myself very lucky to have what I have and to of never had to go through that.

Things could have been very different for any of us.:)
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Whilst admirable it's only encouraging people to continue begging.
 
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