Two explosions at Brussels airport

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ebilcake said:
I suppose you have loads of evidence you proof this is happening? :rolleyes:
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I thought it was common knowledge?
There's been a few high profile cases in recent years. One particularly nasty one was where a duff batch of drugs were sent and instead of killing the bloke 'made it feel like his insides were on fire'. People had to watch for an hour whilst he screamed in agony.
 
ColdAsIce said:
Err it's even worse that they are locals. So despite all the opportunity's to get a head in life that Belgium has offered them. They still turned to radical Islam and targeted their own people :(
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This is a huge part of the problem, people in Europe that don't see themselves as European but whatever they are living in Europe.

Why don't these people integrate?
 
Catanonia said:
Aye, this is my own feelings at the moment, because next year or sooner, we will have yet another thread discussing another tradegy.

My approach is not the best and of course will not happen. TBH I see no end to this mess as they won't talk and we won't let them bomb us at will.
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I understand and agree; it's frustrating and worrying in equal measures.

Catanonia said:
Another approach I sometimes think to myself is to just annex the whole of the problem areas. Let them go back to beating their wives / children and living their beliefs no matter how bad we feel they are. But again that will never happen with the modern caring social media / aid agencies / tree hugger types we have in the world. Personally I could not give a darn if some idiot in another country 1000's miles away lives or treats people he lives with if he won't listen to reason or wants to cut your throat if you try.

Whilst we are at it, ban all the charity adverts on TV and annex the whole trouble area turning a blind eye until they starve / kill themselves through stupidity. Who knows, it may help them.
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The great irony is how it would essentially have come full circle from a situation of our own making. The only reason the nation states and 'borders' of the middle east exist is because we carved up the Ottoman empire when we were instrumental in the deposition of Ottomans back in the late 19th Century. All for the glory and propogation of the empire and control of trade routes. Things like the Sunni-Shia conflict have emerged as taking away a common enemy or oppressor has throughout history led them to focus on turning on each other. These are incredibly complex nuances and age-old disputes and we completely kick the hornet's nest every time we tear up the middle east; the rise of Daesh and Sunni-Shia tensions in conjunction with western interventions that led to the Arab Spring are undeniably linked.

To that end I think maybe you are right. Maybe we make sure we disappear off the radar. Like you say we can not say to date that we have had any measure of success resulting from our intervention in the middle east, so it is at least a fresh idea..
 
Moses said:
Did you look at the other links, rather than just that table/stat? Then you'd be aware of the more recent problem of the drugs they used becoming unavailable (export bans from the EU), how 2014 was a bad year for the lethal injection, how the Supreme Court is looking at whether it constitutes cruel and unusual punishment.

The stats go back to then, but it's not as though they used the lethal injection in the nineteenth century :o. It was the mid nineties when it replaced electrocution as the favoured method. I suggest reading this, given it covers the story of how the more recently problem of botched lethal injections came about,

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/06/execution-clayton-lockett/392069/
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It's still 7.1%, that's still pretty low imo, recent or not.

I'm not going to read through all the links for isolated cases, thanks for posting the bbc link first with the stats, saved me some time. :rolleyes: :p

Maybe you should have left that one out.
 
It might be a little more poignant when it's 100-200 miles from your home/border.

Fortunately there aren't a flurry of those pointless flag colour profile pictures this time.
 
Interestingly Belgium doesn't have the equivalent of PREVENT so it is hard for people to blame government policy for radicalisation in Belgium.
 
Obviously we need to get much tougher in this country to make sure we can whittle out the extremist scumbags. People always cry out that frightening word 'racist' when others point out who these people are and how they are allowed to spread hatred against the very country that welcomed them! These people get too much 'protection' and cotton wool wrapped around them.

You see the views on here and people are too afraid to say what they really want to!
 
jonneymendoza said:
people dont pray for the other countries or get the same attention as this one.
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In Europe, events that happen in Europe take precedence in the news.
In America, events that happen in America take precedence in the news.
In the ME, events that happen in the ME take precedence in the news.

This happens daily and is nothing new.
 
b.cummins said:
The great irony is how it would essentially have come full circle from a situation of our own making. The only reason the nation states and 'borders' of the middle east exist is because we carved up the Ottoman empire when we were instrumental in the deposition of Ottomans back in the late 19th Century. All for the glory and propogation of the empire and control of trade routes. Things like the Sunni-Shia conflict have emerged as taking away a common enemy or oppressor has throughout history led them to focus on turning on each other. These are incredibly complex nuances and age-old disputes and we completely kick the hornet's nest every time we tear up the middle east; the rise of Daesh and Sunni-Shia tensions in conjunction with western interventions that led to the Arab Spring are undeniably linked.

To that end I think maybe you are right. Maybe we make sure we disappear off the radar. Like you say we can not say to date that we have had any measure of success resulting from our intervention in the middle east, so it is at least a fresh idea..
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Yup we can blame our great grandfathers and before them for the mess we are in. But where we are now is what has to be dealt with and with today's constant barrage of social media, tv appeals etc compels everyone to "do something" when probably the best thing is to "do nothing".

Pull out forces, tv crews, aid agencies, close the borders, no one in or out until they can settle their own internal conflicts and issues and act like normal "modern" human beings in dialogue and the way of the world. The problem is that is never going to happen with agreement by all countries especially those with "interests" and "gains".

Take away the audience to ISIS and you have won 1/2 of the battle.
 
FrenchTart said:
I don't see how on earth any of those other tragedies make this any less of one.
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I think tragedy is too light a term as it can indicate an inadvertent disaster or act of nature just as much as it can imply a serious crime or action. Something like this should always be a "catastrophic crime against humanity" in my mind.

I also don't think praying will do a single bit of good except maybe for the person who decides to pray so they can feel like they've done something when they have in fact done nothing; which is fine, because most of us are powerless to do so.
 
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