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Turkey apparently deported one of the Belgium killers last year back to Belgium, so with that and the fact Turkey also warned France about a scumbag involved in the Paris attacks then this is turning into a total failure of security in some EU cities.

Sky first reported it and now the BBC, Turkey also warned Belgium that he was a militant.

Any more of this kind of information and people will start thinking the various attacks are possibly being allowed to happen.
 
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Breaking

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35884915

Two men guilty over IS-inspired 'drive-by' terror plot

Two students are facing long jail sentences after being convicted of plotting a drive-by shooting inspired by so-called Islamic State.

Suhaib Majeed, 21, of west London, was convicted of conspiracy to murder and preparation of acts of terrorism.

Ringleader Tarik Hassane, 22, of west London, had admitted the same charges.

Two men who provided a gun were cleared of conspiracy to murder and preparing terrorist acts by an Old Bailey jury, but admitted firearms offences.

Nyall Hamlett, 25, and Nathan Cuffy, 26, had admitted their role in handing over a gun to Majeed and Hassane but denied knowing what it was going to be used for.
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Washout said:
Not to sound like a hippy but the sooner countries move to green, renewable energy sources the better the whole world will be!
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Doesn't need to be renewables. If other countries had invested in nuclear power sixty years ago the way France and Japan did, we'd already have a greatly reduced dependency on the Middle East's oil production and consequent less desire on the part of our governments to support nasty regimes like Saudi Arabia and Qatar; or interfere in Libya or Iraq. And if we'd invested MORE in nuclear power, then at this point we'd already be ahead of where we are with battery or HFC (hydrogen) vehicles. Nuclear could have been a Hell of a lot cheaper than it is if the West hadn't been focused on building designs that allowed the construction of nuclear weapons too.
 
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Doesn't need to be renewables. If other countries had invested in nuclear power sixty years ago the way France and Japan did, we'd already have a greatly reduced dependency on the Middle East's oil production and consequent less desire on the part of our governments to support nasty regimes like Saudi Arabia and Qatar; or interfere in Libya or Iraq. And if we'd invested MORE in nuclear power, then at this point we'd already be ahead of where we are with battery or HFC (hydrogen) vehicles. Nuclear could have been a Hell of a lot cheaper than it is if the West hadn't been focused on building designs that allowed the construction of nuclear weapons too.
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How would any off that helped, seeing as essentially zero of our grid is oil. It is vehicles and plastics. Neither of which are connected to the national grid.
 
I was also listening to this guy from the Quilliam Foundation this morning on radio 5.

Adam Deen an ex Islamist extremist says people should not keep blaming the west and until they do stop and instead blame the real reasons which he also explains then we will not stop the attacks at all.

It is good listening.


Can those who keep blaming us and the west etc have a listen and give us your view again?

Let me guess, The Quilliam Foundation has to much western influence and it is still the west fault.
 
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If the west is the root of all evil in their eyes, then why is it the number 1 destination for them to settle in ?

I don't see hundreds of thousands flocking to Pakistan, largely Muslim, for instance

Oh, free housing, better quality of life.............

Seems personal luxuries trump strong religous beliefs if it suits them
 
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Brizzles said:
If the west is the root of all evil in their eyes, then why is it the number 1 destination for them to settle in ?

I don't see hundreds of thousands flocking to Pakistan, for instance

Oh, free housing, better quality of life.............

Seems personal luxuries trump strong religous beliefs if it suits them
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They come for the better money, education for their children, free healthcare and of course benefits.

Then they send the money home their families, they're not stupid but we definitely are for allowing them to do it.
 
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How would any off that helped, seeing as essentially zero of our grid is oil. It is vehicles and plastics. Neither of which are connected to the national grid.
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You can make anything out of coal that you can make out of oil, and we have plenty of coal!, It just takes more energy to do so.

If we had an abundance of cheap Nuclear power (and in particular, cheap nuclear generated Hydrogen (Do a search for Sulfur/Iodine Hydrogen production)) then we wouldn't need the oil.
 
Arazi said:
Let me guess, The Quilliam Foundation has to much western influence and it is still the west fault.
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Trust you to quote the fools at Quilliam:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilliam_(think_tank)

They are nothing other than an independently paid for' think tank' (follow the money trail to see where their bias comes from) full of ex-muslims out to demonise the faith because they were so hard done. Jokers at best and often applauded by EDL supporters like Tommy. Nawaz is himself a strip-club lover who does not practise his religion, but 'claims' he does (with a pint of lager in the other hand lol)

This is also the same 'think-tank' that advises David Cameron on the Prevent Strategy - which has clearly been shown to be a failure over and over again.

In an open letter published in The Guardian on 26 April 2008, Anas al-Tikriti, Yvonne Ridley, Ihtisham Hibatullah, Ismail Patel and Roshan Salih wrote:

We represent a cross section of the Muslim community, and reject the simplistic narrative about the dangers of Islamism espoused by the Quilliam Foundation ... We believe this is just another establishment-backed attempt to divert attention from the main cause of radicalisation and extremism in Britain: the UK's disastrous foreign policy in the Muslim world, including its occupation of Muslim lands and its support for pro-western Muslim dictators. The foundation has no proven grassroots support within the Muslim community, although it does seem to have the ear of the powers that be, probably because it is telling them what they want to hear.

It is quite possible to be a politically engaged Muslim without wanting to fly planes into tall buildings. Yet the [Quilliam] foundation equates all forms of political Islam with extremism and terrorism. But those misguided few who are willing to cross the line into terrorism are not driven by disfranchisement or Sayyid Qutb's writings; they do it because they are furious about western foreign policy.
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Deny it as much as you want - Our Foreign policies have a lot to answer for. Everyone knows the Iraq war was a farce, but you can continue to be in denial like most of the other haters here.
 
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Orionaut said:
You can make anything out of coal that you can make out of oil, and we have plenty of coal!, It just takes more energy to do so.

If we had an abundance of cheap Nuclear power (and in particular, cheap nuclear generated Hydrogen (Do a search for Sulfur/Iodine Hydrogen production)) then we wouldn't need the oil.
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I suggest you research this issue further.
 
zoomee said:
Trust you to quote the fools at Quilliam:
In an open letter published in The Guardian on 26 April 2008, Anas al-Tikriti, Yvonne Ridley, Ihtisham Hibatullah, Ismail Patel and Roshan Salih wrote:

We represent a cross section of the Muslim community, and reject the simplistic narrative about the dangers of Islamism espoused by the Quilliam Foundation ... We believe this is just another establishment-backed attempt to divert attention from the main cause of radicalisation and extremism in Britain: the UK's disastrous foreign policy in the Muslim world
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That is the main issue really - the denial/unwillingness by members of the Muslims community to even admit there is an Islamist problem. They want to blame it on 'the West' rather than admitting there is a major issue within their communities.
 
dowie said:
That is the main issue really - the denial/unwillingness by members of the Muslims community to even admit there is an Islamist problem. They want to blame it on 'the West' rather than admitting there is a major issue within their communities.
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Shock as zoomee refuses to accept criticism of Islam and some muslims.
 
Dis86 said:
Shock as zoomee refuses to accept criticism of Islam and some muslims.
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When you understand that he has been programmed from birth to think that Islam is amazing and perfect, everything he says makes sense.
  • If a Muslim does something bad it logically follows that they can’t be a real Muslim, because Islam is amazing and perfect.
  • If an Islamic country is a total crap-hole it logically follows that it must be someone else’s fault as Islam is amazing and perfect.
  • If somebody doesn’t like Islam it logically follows they are an ignorant bigot because Islam is amazing and perfect.
And so on…
 
zoomee said:
Trust you to quote the fools at Quilliam:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilliam_(think_tank)

They are nothing other than an independently paid for' think tank' (follow the money trail to see where their bias comes from) full of ex-muslims out to demonise the faith because they were so hard done. Jokers at best and often applauded by EDL supporters like Tommy. Nawaz is himself a strip-club lover who does not practise his religion, but 'claims' he does (with a pint of lager in the other hand lol)

This is also the same 'think-tank' that advises David Cameron on the Prevent Strategy - which has clearly been shown to be a failure over and over again.



Deny it as much as you want - Our Foreign policies have a lot to answer for. Everyone knows the Iraq war was a farce, but you can continue to be in denial like most of the other haters here.
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I didn't agree with the 2nd Iraq war, where have i said i did?

That still does not make it our fault what we see happening now, so your argument fails imo.

Let me say this though, it took a brutal dictator (Saddam Hussein) to keep these crazies under control, once he was removed they started to appear and we now have what we have now.

So if it took a bigger nutjob to control the rest of the nutjobs then what does that say about those people, their religion and their culture?
 
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Then their not your friends lol

It's all about money and control. The war on Iraq was to stop Sadaam's regime and get WMDs. They did the first but left the country in a much worse state and never found the WMD's.....but they did find trillions of dollars worth of gold.

Money = Control. USA/UK want to make sure they have the most money and thus think that will allow them to control more. Deluded idiots I say.

Brussels attacks: oh look they found a passport.. AGAIN... oh look they've got the suspects on CCTV how convenient! Oh did you hear the Arabic being shouted before the explosion? (no I didn't as I wasn't there but I'm not going to believe what the media says).

And it happened at the same time EU were going to vote on what to do with Palestine. All suspect to me. They are using ISIS/Islamic terrorist as an excuse to raid these countries and kill thousands of their people.

Hundreds of thousands have died in thsese raided countries and they say #prayforBrussells :rolleyes:
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Hahahaaha :D
 
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