Two explosions at Brussels airport

[Arazi]

You're a bit slow aren't you? The people who came here are not the problem, immigrants from the 70s or 80s were not involved in any of the attacks. Some of their children were because society ignored them, we thought that they'd join gangs, sell drugs, spend time in prison like the rest of the youth we forget about. Lots of them did just that but a few took another path and we now see where that leads.

These people were born here so they are our responsibility. You can't blame millions of foreign people who run for their lives for the actions of our citizens.

Read my last post, they may not have been involved in any attacks but they had the same values and culture and a lot of them feed that down to their kids and family, hence the crap we have now.

And in one of your posts you said it is nothing to do with the refugees, are you seriously that deluded to think that there is no terrorists hiding amongst the refugees? I would not be surprised if a large portion of them are keeping a low profile and are waiting for some big social events in the EU, like the football championships that are due and probably more.

What are the security forces going to do if 30+ scum bags come out of hiding and cause mayhem then?

We have all seen how easy they get their hands on weapons etc and how lacking the security is in the EU.

No wonder we are in trouble with that kind of thinking from people like you and others.

 

[Lima]

Are you a Christian? If so, you need to do something about the Ku Klux Klan, the BNP or the Russian National Unity party. All if them are far right Christian groups that adhere to dangerous ideologies and have thousands of followers. Some if them were directly involved in acts of terrorism. Christianity has a problem and, by your logic, it's up to you to fix it.

Ku klux klan - An American group purely motivated by racism not religion. Why would I apologise?

Bnp - a political party that coincidentally rose in popularity due to the left wing apologists that think everyone from all over the world can come and live here because everyone is good natured and wants peace. It's the wests fault for not reaching out enough and giving more. The bnp are not a terrorist group so why would I apologise?

Russian nationalist party - again, a political party and has nothing to do with the U.K. So why would I apologise?

You're comparing apples and to oranges to suit your agenda.

So you think Muslims shouldn't do more to help young people avoid extremism yet you think white British people should be helping them integrate more? Are you insane?

Also, in reference to a post of yours a page or so back - in what ways is it our fault for not doing enough to integrate these people? What are you basing this on? These acts are being commited by typically second generation British Muslims. These people have had free education, free health care, social benefits (if necessary) to put a roof over their heads. These people went to school just like I did, some of them went to uni just like I did, they have had the exact same opportunities in life as me. These people are being converted by people in the Muslim community and therefore the Muslim community are best suited to help stop this.

 

[Freakbro]

And in one of your posts you said it is nothing to do with the refugees, are you seriously that deluded to think that there is no terrorists hiding amongst the refugees? I would not be surprised if a large portion of them are keeping a low profile and are waiting for some big social events in the EU, like the football championships that are due and probably more.

I just find this reasoning put forward by various people idiotic, since time after time the reality is the people committing these crimes are home grown nationals, with the odd one being an overseas terrorist.

And what, terrorists never travelled across the world if there wasn't a humanitarian refugee crisis going on? Also, if you are a terrorist with all these ways and means at your disposal, are you really going to travel over in dodgy inflatables, risking your life, waiting at borders trying to claim asylum? Or are you going to come in under your own steam, incognito or with false papers.

And there was a great news story a day or two ago about a far right German politician rescued from a car crash by two passing Syrian refugees, who gave first aid until the paramedics arrived, and he ended up praising them for their humanitarian kindness

 

[Arazi]

I said give them choices. No one dreams to be a mass murderer when they grow up. If they had had more choices earlier in their lives, most of them would not have blown themselves up.

So that is also the wests fault then? Has it got nothing to do with the fact that 30 to 40 years ago these people all stuck together in certain areas in the UK and never tried to integrate or to integrate their children? Look at some of the areas, they are hell holes, how is that allowed to happen?

No they wanted their own way of life\culture\religion that they had wherever they came from and carried on as normal, no effort to integrate etc, that is because of religious and cultural beliefs. We in the west are just letting this happen.

That is what most immigrants from those areas do and still do to this day.

 

[koolpc]

You cannot blame anyone except the people who do the terrible deed. Everyone has choices in life. They chose to join a group and get brain washed!! Simples

 

[Brizzles]

The leaders of Islam preach peace and the condemn violence whenever it occurs.

Google ' islamic hate preachers uk ' , seems to throw up a few contradictions to your statement. But, let me guess, they are yet another oppressed minority

you can't blame the Pope when a Catholic goes on a killing spree.

No you can't, but the Catholic 'faith' doesn't demand that all other religions be wiped off the planet .

 

[enkoda]

Of course, that's not something that can be denied but no different in essence to fighting for King and Country or the Glory of the Flag.

I'm not quite sure of your background but I've studied Islam and religion a fair bit, and while I can see how these fools have been brainwashed my point has always been that it's not as simple as blaming Islam.

I'm afraid it is that simple. They worship Mohammed as the perfect human being. A man that was an uneducated, warmongering barbarian, who also had sexual relations with a 9 year old girl. Indoctrinating people into worshipping him as perfect is mind-boggling at best, dangerous at worst. Is it any wonder that those who become extremists see their prophet as a role model and justification for their actions?

You'll need to add a bit more substance to your reasoning rather than make it about me being brainwashed.

A suicide bomber walks into a cafe and blows himself up killing a number of people. Who is to directly to blame? Clearly the bomber. Why did he blow himself up? Well here it's not just simple as saying "Islam"without understanding the cause/source of his decisions that led to the action.

It would be safe to assume that if the suicide bomber hadn't been exposed to Islam then those people would still be alive.

So why do these extremists favour suicide bombings over remote detonations? For spiritual reward from their god, as promised in their scripture. If you can radicalise a gullible fool by continued repetition of extracts in the Qur'an that say death to infidels and offering reward for martyrdom is it any wonder they perpetrate this style of attack?

 

[Zethor]

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If you have no reason to apologise then European Muslims have no reason to apologise either. Just like you have nothing to do with American/Russian Christian extremists, they have nothing to do with Salafist Islamists.

When did I say Muslims shouldn't do more? I said WE should do more and when I say 'we' I mean Muslims too. Unlike you, I don't consider them a foreign entity just because I'm white and I'm not a follower of their religion.

As for conversions the pattern I'm seeing is they have contact with or travel to extremists from other countries and then they become radicalized. The local Muslim communities take no part in that process, they are targetted because the extremists know there are young men among them who vulnerable to conversions. We, and again I mean everyone, should do more to decrease the number of such men.

 

[Zethor]

I'm afraid it is that simple. They worship Mohammed as the perfect human being. A man that was an uneducated, warmongering barbarian, who also had sexual relations with a 9 year old girl. Indoctrinating people into worshipping him as perfect is mind-boggling at best, dangerous at worst. Is it any wonder that those who become extremists see their prophet as a role model and justification for their actions?

That is a nice display of ignorance. I suggest you go to a Mosque from time to time and talk to the people there. You will find the following:

- the regulars tend to be oldish
- when asked why they are there the answer usually is 'for the health/happiness of my family' (superstition) or 'it's in the calendar' (tradition)

Interstingly, you will notice similar results in Churches, Synagogues and Temples. Superstition and tradition, not ideologies and philosophical ideas about the perfection of prophets, that's what you will find in most of the religious centers all over the world.

 

[Raz]

I'm afraid it is that simple. They worship Mohammed as the perfect human being. A man that was an uneducated, warmongering barbarian, who also had sexual relations with a 9 year old girl. Indoctrinating people into worshipping him as perfect is mind-boggling at best, dangerous at worst. Is it any wonder that those who become extremists see their prophet as a role model and justification for their actions?


It would be safe to assume that if the suicide bomber hadn't been exposed to Islam then those people would still be alive.

So why do these extremists favour suicide bombings over remote detonations? For spiritual reward from their god, as promised in their scripture. If you can radicalise a gullible fool by continued repetition of extracts in the Qur'an that say death to infidels and offering reward for martyrdom is it any wonder they perpetrate this style of attack?

Why are suicide bombings a relatively recent phenomenon considering how long explosives have been around. Further more please state the number of suicide bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan before 2000 and the number of suicide bombings post 1945 in the Middle East/Israel before the Palestine uprising in the last few decades.

Also, it really isn't that simple.

 

[enkoda]

That is a nice display of ignorance. I suggest you go to a Mosque from time to time and talk to the people there. You will find the following:

- the regulars tend to be oldish
- when asked why they are there the answer usually is 'for the health/happiness of my family' (superstition) or 'it's in the calendar' (tradition)

Interstingly, you will notice similar results in Churches, Synagogues and Temples. Superstition and tradition, not ideologies and philosophical ideas about the perfection of prophets, that's what you will find in most of the religious centers all over the world.

If I went to a mosque all I would find is deluded, gullible or indoctrinated people who believe in a story book that was written by man and worship a non-existant deity, the same for any religion. Except Islam promises infinite reward for martyrdom.

If you are implying that most religious people follow religion for traditional values then that is even worse, having a vast number of people that don't really believe in their holy book, they are just along for the ride. "Hey, I want to join your religion but i don't actually believe the unalterable and literal word of your god and prophet, I'm just here for the spiritual reward at the end". In fact I would go as far as saying they are insulting the true believers. Is it any wonder that the extremists see justification in their beliefs and actions?


I'm not condemning the vast majority of peaceful Muslims, I'm offering an explanation as to why those that become radicalised can be coerced into becoming suicide bombers.

 

[Brizzles]

- the regulars tend to be oldish
- when asked why they are there the answer usually is 'for the health/happiness of my family' (superstition) or 'it's in the calendar' (tradition)

So the younger/current generation of Muslims are not using the Mosques as part of their religious practice , and the older generation are using them out of superstition and tradition ?

Begs the question why do need to build Mosques to keep, what seems, a non existant portion of society happy ?

But i guess the younger generation express their beliefs in other ways :

Very religious.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

You cannot blame anyone except the people who do the terrible deed. Everyone has choices in life. They chose to join a group and get brain washed!! Simples

It's simplistic and naive thinking like this that does nothing to help solve the issue!
Millions of years of evolution has clearly shown us that you are a product of your environment, hence why abused become abusers, violence begets violence and vicious circles are an actual reality!!
As for people choosing to be brain-washed
Did the people here 'choose' to be brainwashed with the anti Muslim and bigoted rhetoric that is rife in our society today? Or do they simply lack critical thinking and skepticism a bit like the people that are indoctrinated into a religion?!?

 

[Zethor]

So the younger/current generation of Muslims are not using the Mosques as part of their religious practice , and the older generation are using them out of superstition and tradition ?

Begs the question why do need to build Mosques to keep, what seems, a non existant portion of society happy ?

But i guess the younger generation express their beliefs in other ways :

Very religious.

Get off the keyboard, walk into a Mosque and talk to people. You will soon see the light cut through your fog of ignorance.

 

[Brizzles]

Millions of years of evolution has clearly shown us that you are a product of your environment, hence why abused become abusers, violence begets violence and vicious circles are an actual reality!!

So you admit then, that the Muslim environment and the Islamic culture that they are brought up in is to blame - First time you have talked sense.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

Get off the keyboard, walk into a Mosque and talk to people. You will soon see the light cut through your fog of ignorance.

Indeed, I remember reading an article in the paper a while ago about some protest at a mosque, not sure if it was in the U.K or US but one of the protesters was invited into the mosque by the Muslims and was completely turned around in his views.

 

[phil675]

Get off the keyboard, walk into a Mosque and talk to people. You will soon see the light cut through your fog of ignorance.

It's funny when I went to Tunisia all the mosques had signs above the doors like no smoking signs, one said no menorahs and the other no crosses.

 

[enkoda]

Why are suicide bombings a relatively recent phenomenon considering how long explosives have been around. Further more please state the number of suicide bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan before 2000 and the number of suicide bombings post 1945 in the Middle East/Israel before the Palestine uprising in the last few decades.

Also, it really isn't that simple.

I'm not sure how quotng a statistic would help you in refuting my argument?

Why do they choose suicide bombs? I don't know. Probably because it causes fairly instant damage and injury, plus it virtually guarantees death for the bomber, eliminating any chance of capture?

 

[Brizzles]

Get off the keyboard, walk into a Mosque and talk to people. You will soon see the light cut through your fog of ignorance.

I used your own words to cut through my fog of ignorance - you should re-read what you posted

This is what i posted

So the younger/current generation of Muslims are not using the Mosques as part of their religious practice , and the older generation are using them out of superstition and tradition ?

In reference to what you posted

- the regulars tend to be oldish
- when asked why they are there the answer usually is 'for the health/happiness of my family' (superstition) or 'it's in the calendar' (tradition)

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

So you admit then, that the Muslim environment and the Islamic culture that they are brought up in is to blame - First time you have talked sense.

lawl
No wonder you have the asinine views you have when you haven't grasped basic English
That's not what I said at all, I was trying to explain that people don't have the exact same choices as each other and that it's easy for us to sit here and be judgmental.

We have been lucky to have be bought up in loving environments with choices and privileges that set us up for productive and positive futures. A huge percentage of criminals, murderers and violent people are raised in horrific environments, this has been studied to death and is clear as day in statistics.