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Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)
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Dowie's link's still good.
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics...referendum/referendum-on-eu-membership-result
Grab whatever deal works out best for you.
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Ah thanks, must have missed that somehow.
We need cohesive Government at some level, unless you're suggesting some sort of anarchy or autonomy at say, council level in the UK, which i don't think would work. For me Government (i.e. allowing/electing people to govern us) should be UK wide, not across the whole of Europe with 500m+ people and 28 (29 with Turkey) countries.
The world is not an equal place. Unfortunately massive inequality exists - on a UK scale as well as a global one. We can do what we can from our relative comfort back home (donating, volunteering, raising awareness) but short of all moving to Nepal to help with the earthquake effort (which by the way, is a great cause) inequality always has and will continue to exist.
I also don't really see how the EU is all about equality anyway. Yes they want the redistribution of wealth across Europe (which is of course detrimental to richer countries) but like I've said in reality Germany and France run the show. Bulgaria may have more say over Britain's affairs if we're in the EU, but i'm not sure that's more equal.
Even if the EU did equate to equality, you can't put every country on the UN Security Council, so maybe some form of inequality (where the UNSC is concerned, anyway) is necessary.
Maybe the EU needs a change to its veto/voting system, such that Large economies get a vote, but small ones require grouping up to achieve that one vote, it needs to happen at some point.
If the smaller economies cant agree on their vote, then they lose it.
If the smaller economies cant agree on their vote, then they lose it.
The UK won't leave the EU. There are too many financial uncertainties. If the banking crisis has shown us anything it's the well-being of the economy overrules everything, given how readily the government bailed the banks out with cash. The government won't risk another financial disaster, whether that means rigging the vote, so be it.
Do you have your house on that Rasputin?
Do go on...........
Maybe the UK needs a change to its voting system, such that richer people get a vote, but poorer ones require grouping up to achieve that one vote, it needs to happen at some point.
If the poor cant agree on their vote, then they lose it.
Don't be so naive to think the government and all the global corps with a vested interest in seeing the UK remain part of the EU wouldn't rig the vote.
There's hundreds of billions of pounds at stake, so we'll let Joe public decide the fate of the country, right ...
This referendum is purely an exercise to appease the anti-EU voices, and to put the issue on the back burner for many years to come. Shortly after polling day you'll see a surge in the FTSE with renewed confidence in the UK.
Just wanted to chime in here that the Institution of Chemical Engineers has had a similar poll and found its members vote to remain at a ratio of 3:1. That's interesting because every month this poll has run, we've had a majority Leave result as far as I remember.
Anyone else got results from their own professional bodies to share?
Anyone else got results from their own professional bodies to share?
Nothing official but all the people and small businesses I work with in my PHP/DBA work are all voting out, with one exception voting in and that's because he's a ******* who also thinks Libdems stand a chance in a general election....
So on one hand we have a government that can't run a bath and yet is simultaneously capable of rigging a vote that about 45 million people can vote in.
You'd actually be quite surprised how open to fraud our elections are on the local level compared to other countries that bring in outside people to oversee the whole thing.
With Europe having gotten to the state it's in, I see it this way:
If my grandparents wanted the Germans dictating everything we do and say in the UK, the Windsors would still be Sax-Coburgs, and we'd have joined the party on the side of the Russians, the Germans and the Japanese - as it stands, we fought tyranny, oppression and a central government intent on depriving its citizens of basic human rights, which is basically what they're edging towards.
Then there's the small matter of migration. The progressives don't acknowledge it, the Germans turn a blind eye to it, but open borders have done nothing but make the spread of fundamentalist cells easier, and the pillaging of our country's resources infinitely more accessible in a way that hasn't been seen since we called ourselves Normans and gave lands over to be called the Dane law; the EU is dangerous. It's a threat to security and it is in no way unreasonable as a briton to want to tell some idiot with a backwards view towards women and their religion to sling their hook - and, more pointedly, to tell the people in this country already to do the same.
We are too accommodating to our guests. We are too permissive and lax as a society when they commit crimes against us. This should end.
I'm voting out, because frankly things can't be much worse than they are now, and the EU isn't stupid enough to turn their back on our trade. Switzerland and Norway have entirely the right idea when it comes to the French and the Germans in particular - keep things cordial, but at arms length.
If my grandparents wanted the Germans dictating everything we do and say in the UK, the Windsors would still be Sax-Coburgs, and we'd have joined the party on the side of the Russians, the Germans and the Japanese - as it stands, we fought tyranny, oppression and a central government intent on depriving its citizens of basic human rights, which is basically what they're edging towards.
Then there's the small matter of migration. The progressives don't acknowledge it, the Germans turn a blind eye to it, but open borders have done nothing but make the spread of fundamentalist cells easier, and the pillaging of our country's resources infinitely more accessible in a way that hasn't been seen since we called ourselves Normans and gave lands over to be called the Dane law; the EU is dangerous. It's a threat to security and it is in no way unreasonable as a briton to want to tell some idiot with a backwards view towards women and their religion to sling their hook - and, more pointedly, to tell the people in this country already to do the same.
We are too accommodating to our guests. We are too permissive and lax as a society when they commit crimes against us. This should end.
I'm voting out, because frankly things can't be much worse than they are now, and the EU isn't stupid enough to turn their back on our trade. Switzerland and Norway have entirely the right idea when it comes to the French and the Germans in particular - keep things cordial, but at arms length.
Have you got a link to that, or is it in this month's magazine? I've not seen any EU polls for IChemE, and I certainly wasn't polled
Isn't that already the case?
Regardless one shouldnt compare singular nations to a political entity such as the EU, different rules should apply.
That kind of shift is very suspect.
Have you got a link to that, or is it in this month's magazine? I've not seen any EU polls for IChemE, and I certainly wasn't polled
Are you sure they've got your contact email correctly?
It's in this month's members news:
http://www.icheme.org/media_centre/n....1CzMQZPK.dpbs
My first post was not as clear as it could be, I refer to the poll we have had here on this site every month (which I think has always indicated a majority of forum members for leaving the EU), compared to the IChemE poll (which has only been carried out once and indicates a majority of chemical engineers for staying in the EU). If that is not what you meant, can you explain what is suspect?
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