Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 452 45.0%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 553 55.0%
  • Total voters
    1,005
  • Poll closed .
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Avenged7Fold said:
Extra spending seems fair, preventing the distribution of something which aims to educate the voters is a terrible decision if the money has been spent and the leaflets printed.
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Making the recent petitions rather hollow. The HM government website didn't just appear overnight. Opponents had plenty of time to challenge the content itself. Sending nothing now would be worse, considering the general political situation.
 
datalol-jack said:
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Should they be allowed to spend the money? Do not confuse the government and the yet-to-be-officially-designated In campaign.
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:rolleyes: please.

Like the fact they they spent all this money a week before the official campaign spending limits come into force makes it all ok. Thankfully this isn't the 1970's, the population are far more free thinking & connected, & can see through this sort of rubbish, hence the headlines.
 
Tom_ed1987 said:
:rolleyes: please.

Like the fact they they spent all this money a week before the official campaign spending limits come into force makes it all ok. Thankfully this isn't the 1970's, the population are far more free thinking & connected, & can see through this sort of rubbish, hence the headlines.
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Yes, they are certainly more connected to 4chan and Breitbart. The truth will be known. :p
 
I can't see Turkey ever getting in. The vast majority of European citizens don't want them to join. Germany doesn't wasn't them. Austria and the other Balkan states don't want them. The Greeks and Cypriots certainly don't want them in. Various powerful EU bureaucrats don't want them to join either. The list of opponents to Turkey's membership is long, and the reasons for opposition varied

Their handling of the refugee crisis and ongoing intolerance for Cyprus aren't doing them any favours.
 
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delta0 said:
EC should now say remain have spent their budget and may no longer spend anymore.
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The EC has no such powers. Look, there's no question that what the Government has done is legal; and also that it follows precedent. That doesn't make it fair or reasonable.

It is important that this referendum is fought freely and fairly and so the outcoming result can be seen as having the maximum possible democratic legitimacy. This action by the government undermines that and I wish they hadn't done it.
 
Moses said:
The document is linked to above. Can anyone who's annoyed about it highlight the bad parts, please?
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It's not a question of what's in the leaflet. It's a question of both sides getting a fair and equal chance to put their case forward.
 
satchef1 said:
I can't see Turkey ever getting in. The vast majority of European citizens don't want them to join. Germany doesn't wasn't them. Austria and the other Balkan states don't want them. The Greeks and Cypriots certainly don't want them in. Various powerful EU bureaucrats don't want them to join either. The list of opponents to Turkey's membership is long, and the reasons for opposition varied

Their handling of the refugee crisis and ongoing intolerance for Cyprus aren't doing them any favours.
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... and yet Turkish nationals now have visa free travel within the EU.
 
Tunney said:
So do Canadians but I doubt they'll be joining the EU any time soon. :p
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I'm sorry if this offends people, violates their safe space, is "racist" etc, but I don't think Canadians travelling to the EU will cause much in the way of problems.
 
scorza said:
I'm sorry if this offends people, violates their safe space, is "racist" etc, but I don't think Canadians travelling to the EU will cause much in the way of problems.
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Almost every South American country has Visa free travel to the EU as well.

For somebody who spends so much time arguing about the EU you'd do well to learn a bit more really, all the Turkish visa free thing has done is save Turkish people 45 quid. That's it. It wasn't like they couldn't get a tourist visa like most other people anyway?!
 
scorza said:
I'm sorry if this offends people, violates their safe space, is "racist" etc, but I don't think Canadians travelling to the EU will cause much in the way of problems.
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I don't want to alarm you but Turkish people have been doing business and enjoying holidays in the UK for quite some time.
 
Tunney said:
I don't want to alarm you but Turkish people have been doing business and enjoying holidays in the UK for quite some time.
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I know, having witnessed a near riot between London Turks and Kurds at my sister's old flat in Stoke Newington. The point is all countries are not equal, what works with Canada might not be appropriate for Turkey. Let's be honest, they only got it because they had the EU over a barrel thanks to the migrant crisis, which the Turkish government has done nothing to stop.
 
scorza said:
I know, having witnessed a near riot between London Turks and Kurds at my sister's old flat in Stoke Newington. The point is all countries are not equal, what works with Canada might not be appropriate for Turkey. Let's be honest, they only got it because they had the EU over a barrel thanks to the migrant crisis, which the Turkish government has done nothing to stop.
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Typical scorza, avoid posts that don't fit your narrative.
 
scorza said:
Come back with a good point for a change and I'll bother to address it.
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Hahaha, how is it not a good point?

The change simply means that when before a Turkish citizen needed to pay £45 for a Schengen Visa, now they do not. That's it.

You are spinning it as something it really isn't, as if legions of Turk's are now free to roam Europe - guess what, they were free to roam Europe before under exactly the same terms once they'd paid 45 quid!

It doesn't even affect us anyway as it isn't access to 'the EU' its access to the Schengen area which we are not and never will be a part of. This has been repeatedly pointed out to you yet you ignore it every time - it is a complete irrelevance to the EU Referendum debate and serves only to scaremonger people into voting Leave 'COZ DEM IMMIGRANTZZ'.

You KNOW this already. You don't need to me to tell you. You KNOW its Visa free travel in Schengen only so why continue to pretend it's the EU?
 
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Let's put it this way: Turkey has large barriers to its membership ever going ahead; if it cannot manage its side of the migrant deal satisfactorily, as is being tested now, then any such fantasies on their side will be pushed back generations, if not for ever.
 
Sorry, I disagree. The wheels are in motion, Cameron himself has championed Turkey joining as a full member - dismissing it because people are rightly concerned with it and it doesn't fit with the remain narrative doesn't mean isn't going to happen.

You can't predict what the EU will look like in 5yrs, 10yrs no more than people can say exactly the impact will be of a leave vote so stop pretending. The EU can shoehorn any country in as they see fit - look at Greece. Their own rules are there for breaking.
 
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