Poll: Investigatory Powers Bill or "Snoopers' Charter" has been approved

Are you happy with the investigatory powers bill being passed?

  • Yes, I fully agree with it.

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Yes, but I am uncomfortable with certain aspects of it.

    Votes: 31 5.5%

  • I am undecided.

    Votes: 27 4.8%

  • No, but I do agree with parts of it.

    Votes: 103 18.2%

  • No, I fully disagree with it.

    Votes: 391 69.1%
  • Total voters
    566
I'm sure GCHQ guys will love reading GD in future. I still think they'll harvest too much guff for it to be useful to them, but enough for it to become a database of liability for the right black hat chap with a lot of time on his hands. Looking forward to more details emerging.
 
I find it a little confusing that our secret services need legislation like this. I mean, they are supposed to do their shiz in secret, info gathering etc
 
d_brennen said:
I find it a little confusing that our secret services need legislation like this. I mean, they are supposed to do their shiz in secret, info gathering etc
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They're already doing it. Now they're just making it legal :D.

If we know about this imagine how much more ****ed up the truth really is :eek:.
 
Mynight said:
They're already doing it. Now they're just making it legal :D.

If we know about this imagine how much more ****ed up the truth really is :eek:.
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I know they are and have been since forever. This legislation has little to do with keeping us safe in the anti-terror sense.

Personally, I'd be happy for whatever agency to go through every detail of my life, assuming it happens to everyone else in the land and not just us plebs.
 
d_brennen said:
I know they are and have been since forever. This legislation has little to do with keeping us safe in the anti-terror sense.

Personally, I'd be happy for whatever agency to go through every detail of my life, assuming it happens to everyone else in the land and not just us plebs.
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May I recommend a tailored offshore arrangement, sir? Privacy is assured, of course.:p
 
d_brennen said:
I know they are and have been since forever. This legislation has little to do with keeping us safe in the anti-terror sense.

Personally, I'd be happy for whatever agency to go through every detail of my life, assuming it happens to everyone else in the land and not just us plebs.
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Meh as long as their NDA trumps mine I'm ok with it.

I certainly won't make it easy for them though :D.
 
d_brennen said:
I know they are and have been since forever. This legislation has little to do with keeping us safe in the anti-terror sense.

Personally, I'd be happy for whatever agency to go through every detail of my life, assuming it happens to everyone else in the land and not just us plebs.
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Big change with it being legal is they can now start to use it in courts.


I wonder how long it will be before law firms representing music/film industry will be requesting huge lists of peoples details from isp's who have acessed streaming sites etc.


And if they will have to hand it over
 
opethdisciple said:
The last I heard on this matter is that they where still thinking about it as they underestimated the cost of it and it will be something like 1.6bn.

They calculated this from how much Denmark evaluated it would cost them and then scaled it up to our population.

The Danish rejected the proposal on cost.

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It's odd that Google, Apple, Microsoft and all the other big players are 'seemingly' not in bed with the government.

I would have thought before Wiki Leaks and Edward Snowden the NSA would have all sorts of deals in place with the big three already.
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I think the governments original cost estimate was based on the same accounting and predictive methods they use for all their own IT projects.

Namely pick a number from the a hat that sounds reasonably high, but not too high then state it, knowing full well that by the time it comes out that they're over budget you can state that you've spent too much (5-10 times the original estimate seems good) to stop now.

Slightly more seriously, from what I've read they didn't ask anyone in the industry how much it might cost, they picked a number at random and then got told by various industry players that it wouldn't even cover the costs for one of the big ISP's to set up, let alone in total.
 
Werewolf said:
I think the governments original cost estimate was based on the same accounting and predictive methods they use for all their own IT projects.

Namely pick a number from the a hat that sounds reasonably high, but not too high then state it, knowing full well that by the time it comes out that they're over budget you can state that you've spent too much (5-10 times the original estimate seems good) to stop now.

Slightly more seriously, from what I've read they didn't ask anyone in the industry how much it might cost, they picked a number at random and then got told by various industry players that it wouldn't even cover the costs for one of the big ISP's to set up, let alone in total.
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Pretty much bang on.

I'm going to be going the tinfoil hat route on all this. I actually don't mind the spooks looking at my personal details as they'll only bother with them to get their jollies or for real threats. Once people like council officials have the ability to dig through my personal life it will quickly go very wrong (see: my username) :p
 
It becomes a pointless exercise as soon as people decide to run little applications that make hundreds of thousands of connections to random endpoints and bury any useful information in noise.
 
doofer said:
Do you wear clothes? Have curtains/blinds? Tell everyone what you earn? Give everyone your Passwords?

It's the moronic 'Nothing to hide' and 'Think of the Children!' Brigades that lets Govts. walk all over the people it should be working for and accountable to.
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Exactly. I'll agree with "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear" when I get to decide how other people view my choices or not. Until then, the only defence I have against those that disapprove of my choices is privacy.

Want a world of mob rule and moral oversight? Reducing privacy is how you get it.
 
d_brennen said:
I find it a little confusing that our secret services need legislation like this. I mean, they are supposed to do their shiz in secret, info gathering etc
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Yes, but they're supposed to do it against foreign nations and suspected enemies. Doing it against everybody all of the time is outside their remit. Hence efforts by Theresa May Be Watching You to widen that remit.
 
datalol-jack said:
I'm sure GCHQ guys will love reading GD in future. I still think they'll harvest too much guff for it to be useful to them, but enough for it to become a database of liability for the right black hat chap with a lot of time on his hands. Looking forward to more details emerging.
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Data to find dirt on for future politicians running for office? As well as to smear your family...
 
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