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The Police should not signal for you to pull over where there isn't a safe place to do so.
You’re in a 30 zone…
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The Police should not signal for you to pull over where there isn't a safe place to do so.
Fixed it.
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I know that but out of our 400+ a day A&E attendances at our Trust we must have at least one.
Are you serious! I have been pulled on a dual carriage way on double yellows not safe at all. But give them the due they just opened the window and said slow down.
I have also seen police flashing at a very busy junction for people to move out the way.
You just use your head and get out the way, if they want to be arses so be it.
Also 30mph speed limit is stupid with the car designs of today, I can stop within a couple of meters from 30 to 0.
20 years ago in my mini metro NO!
We have a road by us and it should be 4 lanes but its 2 as its a massive width. Speed limit 30? If I see kids about in my road am 20mph and less, saying that with the speed bumps on our roads you not getting over 20 without crunching the front of the car.
Also 30mph speed limit is stupid with the car designs of today, I can stop within a couple of meters from 30 to 0.
20 years ago in my mini metro NO!
If someone walks into the road from behind a parked car you might not even have time to press the brake pedal.
There are many things the police should not do but do. To my point at the start, you can spend months contemplating right and wrong on this forum, but the reality is people do stuff they shouldn't and the police are no different. A sensible person makes a judgement call, so does a Police officer and weighs up what they believe the best course of action and follow their instincts. Of course the police will try to follow due process and do the right thing where possible, but micro analysing the law by a book or set of rules is not how policing works much of the time. You know this too if you spend time working with the police. You can't put a front on what policing is or each and every time quote what the law stipulates because often to get things done people have to go around the law, the police are no different. They make a judgement call on what they believe to be right and weigh up the consequences. That is life, always has been and always will be. Shades of grey....
one i always find weird is when people pull over a bit and stop, when there's oncoming traffic in the to0her lane, so now the ambulance/fire engine/police car is stopped behind them waiting for the traffic to clear so they can go around.
if they'd just kept going at 30 mph till the traffic cleared the emergency vehicle wouldn't have had to stop and wait,
if they'd just kept going at 30 mph till the traffic cleared the emergency vehicle wouldn't have had to stop and wait,
Also 30mph speed limit is stupid with the car designs of today, I can stop within a couple of meters from 30 to 0.
20 years ago in my mini metro NO!
id say the 30 limit is sensible in built up areas as its there for pedestrian safety in the real "oh **** didn't see that coming" **** ups.
on the motorway/dual carriage way thought i think thr 70 limit is much too low these days with modern vehicles capabilities.
On a 30 road I drive at about 36mph if its massive and wide then maybe 40 to 45.
On speed bump roads its 15mph-20mph-10mph-20-mph. Front of our car is leathered underneath I hate speed bumps.
As for people walking out between parked cars, if you cannot see the road ahead when crossing and you cross between parked cars, Darwin will take care of that.
On speed bump roads its 15mph-20mph-10mph-20-mph. Front of our car is leathered underneath I hate speed bumps.
As for people walking out between parked cars, if you cannot see the road ahead when crossing and you cross between parked cars, Darwin will take care of that.
he is a police officer iirc
I know he is
As for people walking out between parked cars, if you cannot see the road ahead when crossing and you cross between parked cars, Darwin will take care of that.
Tell that to the parents of the kid you just mowed down when speeding.
So therefore parents/school have not teached the kids correctly to cross the road.
If there are parked cars, then head first then feet if safe, you don't need a high IQ to figure it out.
Its called spatial awareness, which most people lack these days.
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So therefore parents/school have not teached the kids correctly to cross the road.
If there are parked cars, then head first then feet if safe, you don't need a high IQ to figure it out.
Its called spatial awareness, which most people lack these days.
Teehee
Just gun it all the way with an handbreak turn for the flourish at the end - no court in the land would nick you for being a dutyful citizen even if you did kill someone in the process.....
Just drive sensible.
Just drive sensible.
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On a 30 road I drive at about 36mph if its massive and wide then maybe 40 to 45.
On speed bump roads its 15mph-20mph-10mph-20-mph. Front of our car is leathered underneath I hate speed bumps.
As for people walking out between parked cars, if you cannot see the road ahead when crossing and you cross between parked cars, Darwin will take care of that.
Aah bless, do you take your GCSEs this year or next?
You might feel differently if it were your loved one dying in the back of the ambulance or your home going up in smoke.
I have never understood people who regard the law as some sort of absolute that decides right or wrong.
That's a disgusting attitude.
Taken from Thames Valley Police Site:
Question
What should I do if I am at a red traffic light and there is an emergency vehicle behind me trying to get through?
Answer
If you cross the stop line at the junction whilst the lights are on red, you will commit the offence of contravening a red traffic light. However, if there is an emergency vehicle behind you with its emergency warning signals on it might be possible for you to manoeuvre out of the way to allow it through. Ideally this should be to the side of the road without encroaching into the main area of the junction. It should only be done when it is safe to do so without putting yourself or other members of the public in danger and it should only be done slowly and carefully.
It is important to remember that in committing the offence (crossing the stop line) the onus will be on you to provide evidence that you did so to allow an emergency vehicle through, and this may be considered as mitigation.
For further consideration Rule 219 of The Highway Code states:
You should look and listen for ambulances, fire engines, police, doctors or other emergency vehicles using flashing blue, red or green lights and sirens or flashing headlights, or Highways Agency Traffic Officer and Incident Support vehicles using flashing amber lights. When one approaches do not panic. Consider the route of such a vehicle and take appropriate action to let it pass, while complying with all traffic signs. If necessary, pull to the side of the road and stop, but try to avoid stopping before the brow of a hill, a bend or narrow section of road. Do not endanger yourself, other road users or pedestrians and avoid mounting the kerb. Do not brake harshly on approach to a junction or roundabout, as a following vehicle may not have the same view as you.
What should I do if I am at a red traffic light and there is an emergency vehicle behind me trying to get through?
Answer
If you cross the stop line at the junction whilst the lights are on red, you will commit the offence of contravening a red traffic light. However, if there is an emergency vehicle behind you with its emergency warning signals on it might be possible for you to manoeuvre out of the way to allow it through. Ideally this should be to the side of the road without encroaching into the main area of the junction. It should only be done when it is safe to do so without putting yourself or other members of the public in danger and it should only be done slowly and carefully.
It is important to remember that in committing the offence (crossing the stop line) the onus will be on you to provide evidence that you did so to allow an emergency vehicle through, and this may be considered as mitigation.
For further consideration Rule 219 of The Highway Code states:
You should look and listen for ambulances, fire engines, police, doctors or other emergency vehicles using flashing blue, red or green lights and sirens or flashing headlights, or Highways Agency Traffic Officer and Incident Support vehicles using flashing amber lights. When one approaches do not panic. Consider the route of such a vehicle and take appropriate action to let it pass, while complying with all traffic signs. If necessary, pull to the side of the road and stop, but try to avoid stopping before the brow of a hill, a bend or narrow section of road. Do not endanger yourself, other road users or pedestrians and avoid mounting the kerb. Do not brake harshly on approach to a junction or roundabout, as a following vehicle may not have the same view as you.
So as it advises, you will commit the offence and you'll need to provide evidence that it was an emergency vehicle that was behind you. I know someone who is currently figting a fine/points because he did exactly this.
It should only be done if it is safe to do so and without endangering anyone.
It's really that simple. I understand that staying put could potentially be putting someone at risk but you must think of the immediate risk if you do try and move out of the way.
EDIT - Taken from my course book:
Red Traffic Lights: If you are stopped at red traffic lights, with an emergency vehicle behind who wants to get past and his way is blocked by your vehicle. You cannot legally advance through the red traffic stop light. Legally you should wait until the lights turn green, continue forward and pull over as soon as it is safe to do so, letting the emergency vehicle pass you.
The 2 do contradict each in some regards but the 2 are basically saying, DON'T MOVE.
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You're lucky your wheels were still attached when you pulled off!