I'm not sure why that is news, as in we all know this, it was said a thousand times when the deal was originally done...I guess it must be a slow news day
Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)
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I'm not sure why that is news, as in we all know this, it was said a thousand times when the deal was originally done...I guess it must be a slow news day
How democratic is it really if people are being asked to vote based on a deal that may be withdrawn if the result of the vote goes the way the people who did the deal wanted?
Given that most of the arguments for or against the EU revolve around how the different outcomes will affect the UK in the future, I can't see how anyone can provide 'facts'. People seem to want someone to say "if we Leave/stay in the EU you'll be better/worse off by £x a year" - unfortunately things don't work that way.
One thing I will say though is while the Leave campaign are guilty of scare mongering, at least in addition to this they are able to present a positive vision of the UK outside Europe. I've not heard a single argument from the stay in campaign that demonstrates any love for the EU - it's all negative.
How democratic is it if a democratic institution is ignored because Dave says so?
That's just because you aren't listening and your own confirmation bias
Seems to me the only sensible and logical thing to do is postpone the referendum until after the deal is voted on by the European Parliament. It's unacceptable imo that the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom can go to Brussels, do a deal with the other 27 EU heads, sell the deal to the British public, only for the deal never to be implemented because the MEPs didn't like it. That's a very inefficient way of lawmaking - unworkable and dishonest.
What is the address of 10 Downing Street?
Then you're either picking and choosing what you read (no surprises there) or you're ignoring those that don't fit your argument (no surprises there).
Just out of interest, what is the opinion about companies asking staff to vote to stay in the EU?
I heard company heads telling franchisees that they should vote to stay in the EU so they keep getting cheap foreign labor and keep profits up...
I heard company heads telling franchisees that they should vote to stay in the EU so they keep getting cheap foreign labor and keep profits up...
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^It should be illegal IMO.
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I'm not convinced it should be illegal, but it depends on how its done I suppose. If they're couching it as 'vote to stay or your jobs at risk' (either because of perceived rise in cost of employment or another reason) then obviously it shouldn't be allowed. If it's just a company saying how they think people should vote, well then its no different to anyone saying it.
It doesn't seem much different to companies funding the In or Out campaigns, or funding the Tory party for that matter. Where are you drawing the line?
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Depends on how they word it. If they say e.g. 75% of this companies turnover depends on orders from EU countries. A vote to leave may have disastrous consequences for those orders so we think it is best if you vote to stay.
That, imho would be OK as employees are being warned of possible job losses if these orders are lost.
On the above mentioned there will not be many votes from the number of franchisees and staff are hardly likely to be influenced in the manner wanted by telling them the reason the company wants to stay is to able to hire cheap labour replacing their jobs or forcing down any pay rise.
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I love unverifiable anecdotes, they add so much to a debate!
Most jobs like that are minimum wage because they require little if any skill and limited training, not because DEM EUZ are stealing them. They don't 'save money' by employing EU staff, they'd probably prefer to hire British people if they could as they'll cost the same and probably speak the language better.
You're either suffering from a serious deficit of memory or ignoring things that are said to you.
Here's three: we should stay in the EU because (1) it gives every British citizen a huge boost to their personal freedom by guaranteeing the right to live and work anywhere in the EU, (2) it is a big benefit to our economy, helping secure jobs and provide the tax income that funds our state, and (3) it boosts our influence in the world, giving us more control over our country in the globalised reality of the modern world.
But because we're already getting these benefits you will see these cast as negative costs of leaving. We can't very well say "staying in the EU will give every British citizen a huge new freedom" because we currently have that freedom. We can't say "saying in the EU will boost the EU economy" because we're already getting that boost. And so on. The negative tone of the Remain campaign comes from the fact that we're voting on tearing up something we're currently benefiting from.
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One is "we support X", the other is "bad stuff might happen to you if you don't support X".
Why should it be legally binding at this stage? Every other state would "threaten" with referendum to get some extra benefits if that was the case.
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