No one has said Muslims are our enemy, not one single time. I pointed out that even if just 1% of Muslims who live in Britain hold similar views to ISIS then that's unacceptably dangerous
Channel 4 - What British Muslims Really Think
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No one has said Muslims are our enemy, not one single time. I pointed out that even if just 1% of Muslims who live in Britain hold similar views to ISIS then that's unacceptably dangerous
I'm pretty sure 1% of any demographic have extreme views on x, y and z so are they considered dangerous as well?
Except in this case it's not x y or z. It's support for mass murder of innocents.
I'm glad I'm not arguing your side of the field, it must be terribly difficult thinking up all these desperate responses
Christians don't cause 99% of the worlds terror.. But that's a different story
But not the worlds murders...
To put it in to context that's probably not far off many murderers are live in the UK at this moment. We aren't scared of the general population are we?
Any evidence for a "significant minority"...?
Need to consider this point carefully I guess... Because basically - and correct me if I'm wrong here - a Muslim shoud consider (the act of) homosexuality as a punishable crime (& sin)?
If they do not, then they are failing the very core of their faith as the Quraan dictates as much?
Of course there's the debate within Islam of the exact punishment, but I believe there is the suggestion that Muhammad proscribed death was a suitable treatment for homosexuality, so if this is to be believed, it's not surprising Muslims get rather confused how to deal with this topic. I believe some Islamic cultures decide for example homosexuality does not deserve death, and reserve that for much more severe crimes like apostasy!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_homosexuality
The Bible also proscribes death. The difference is the vast majority of christians ignore those bits, much like many muslims.
It's all very well insisting the "the Quraan says this", but most people from most religions don't take things literally, they interpret, which is where the issue lies. ISIS interpret things extremely, others don't. Same with the difference in interpretation between protestant and catholic.
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The Channel 4 programme we're discussing in this thread.
Fair comment... But three points:-
1) Rather than using the Old Testament (as evidence of Christianity's views on homosxuality) use the New Testament? It seems Christianity is a little more willing to revise its user manual
2) Actions speak louder that words. Let's look at how homosexuals (& indeed women) fair in Islamic cultures as a rule.
3) And this all seems to come down to the root issue that Islam just generally seems to take itself far too seriously, with the Quran being the self proclaimed "real deal", being the last testament, and actual words from God himself.
Yes, of course "moderate Muslims" pick and choose (thankfully) what they practice from the Quran. The problem is, if you take it literally as the word of God, you have a rather different and aggressive outlook (IMHO) on the the world, to a say an "extreme" Bhudist, Janist or Christian...
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On the Wright Stuff this morning the gurning Mathew Wright had some Muslim woman comedian on who was outraged at the programme.
Although the sample used was the same amount as the Govt. uses to formulate policy she claimed it wasn't legitimate as they never asked her, her mother or her sister.
And she was deadly serious.
Although the sample used was the same amount as the Govt. uses to formulate policy she claimed it wasn't legitimate as they never asked her, her mother or her sister.
And she was deadly serious.
Wrong. It provides sufficient guidance on defence and warfare within set rules. Given the hostile environment within which Islam was established that absolutely makes sense, to be able to survive surrounded by empires. In any case, time and time again people ignore the Quran in favour of hadith.
The world had changed between the time of the Prophets Moses, Jesus and Muhammad so mankind received 'updated' scripture, but logically we ought to expect another Prophet given the social, technological and scientific advances since then.
While her point is a little silly can you not see how the vast majority of Muslims in this country who are moderates who just want to get on with their lives get annoyed/upset that their community is continually labeled the way it is?
yeah it was used to raise an army
Christianity survived the same times without the mutilating people bits.
you say that but there are, lets face it, a multitude of verses in the quran that can only be described as vile beyond belief in the modern world.
I'm having a hard time believing this is true in the way you're presenting it.
If it is true, then you're talking about a crazy person. I've known a lot of Muslims, some pieces of ****e, others great people and I've never once heard ANYTHING along those lines. They're too busy comparing the length of their beards to show just how Islamic they are, or to see how many people they can get to call them "sheik" to come out with psychopathic things like that.
indeed by his wording he spoke to a person who has actually slit a persons throat.