Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)

[Metallifux]

What little workers rights laws we have taken on from the EU will be gone regardless of whether we stay in or not. Cameron already got that one in his pre negotiations if we were to stay in. So it is not a reason to stay in the EU.

I see this sort of thing a lot from a certain union rep colleague of mine whose entire argument for voting in is Tories gonna Tory. I think in a post brexit world if call me Dave turned around and said. "Right I'm going to fix all you workers for voting out and repeal all of your working rights" The whole of the working populace would then vote for comrade Corbyn at the next election.

 

[Tunney]

Makes you wonder why Norway and Sweden aren't falling over themselves to join if they'd get an extra £4.3k. It's almost as if those figures are BS

There's a good reason why Sweden isn't falling over itself to join.

 

[bayo000]

This is like saying we could've predicted the 2007 credit crunch in 1993, it's laughable to think those predictions will be correct. It actually amounts to a complete lie

It's as laughable as all the positive visions the leavers have with nothing to back it up.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

It's as laughable as all the positive visions the leavers have with nothing to back it up.

I'm waiting for a positive vision of staying, because from where I'm sitting it's done nothing but crumble and result in several bailouts in recent years.

I think EU reform is the best way, but they don't want to deal. Have to call their bluff at some point.

 

[Danthus]

It's as laughable as all the positive visions the leavers have with nothing to back it up.

And the remain view is one that it would all be bad if we leave.

 

[Metallifux]

It's as laughable as all the positive visions the leavers have with nothing to back it up.

Provide evidence for something that has never been done before? I'm sure the leave campaign are sitting on cold fusion too. The leave campaign is about not being afraid to see what is on the other side of the fence.

 

[estebanrey]

I find the remain campaign have odd points like

- too much paperwork to undo now
- uncertainty without our friends
- reliant on others for security
- held to ransom either way but can have some say as we are

all just seem defeatist and nail the point home to me?

Quite, the In Campaign seems to be about proving staying in is the least crappy option.

 

[Danthus]

That Treasury document also shows immigration to continue rising, that will help them remain campaign.

 

[Freakbro]

That Treasury document also shows immigration to continue rising, that will help them remain campaign.

Isn't that because the people in charge actually want the immigration, irrespective of what they might say, due to the ageing population and needing a larger workforce?

I mean Scorza just mentioned earlier about Cameron and his pledge to reduce immigration to tens of thousands. If that was the case why was non-EU immigration - the ones we can control, at 190,000.....even more than EU immigration

What other reason is there? (genuine question)

 

[Danthus]

Isn't that because the people in charge actually want the immigration, irrespective of what they might say, due to the ageing population and needing a larger workforce?

I mean Scorza just mentioned earlier about Cameron and his pledge to reduce immigration to tens of thousands. If that was the case why was non-EU immigration - the ones we can control, at 190,000.....even more than EU immigration

What other reason is there? (genuine question)

Absolutely, that is why all these people voting UKIP/Out to stem the flow of immigration have been sold a pup.

 

[scorza]

There's a good reason why Sweden isn't falling over itself to join.

Bah - hadn't consumed the first coffee of the day when I wrote that post I meant Switzerland of course.

 

[Mr Jack]

Makes you wonder why Norway and Sweden aren't falling over themselves to join if they'd get an extra £4.3k. It's almost as if those figures are BS

Sweden is a member of the EU. Norway would almost certainly be better off in the EU.

 

[scorza]

Sweden is a member of the EU. Norway would almost certainly be better off in the EU.

See above. With the second highest GDP per capita in Europe, I tend to agree with the Norwegian people that they are just fine outside the EU.

Before anyone points out that they are *only* the second highest; the European country with the highest GDP per capita is Luxembourg, which has more corporations than people, skewing the figures.

 

[Casdawer]

I would like a completely reformed EU but it's not going to happen with the current political landscape and with the current migrant crisis we have at the moment.

I don't believe leaving the EU will have the 'BIG' impact that the Remain Team are saying but I know there will be a year or 2 of uncertainty which could impact a lot of people.

I want people to come to the UK as I believe they do have right to as Human beings BUT that doesn't mean having the flood gates open like the EU suggests. It needs to be controlled and fair.

The EU has done some good and there is no denying that BUT again, the EU now is not what was envisioned when it was created and I think a huge reform is required.

Until that time, I think Leave is our best option however I hope that once the EU does get the reform it so needs, we will be able to vote to join it again.

 

[Metallifux]

Absolutely, that is why all these people voting UKIP/Out to stem the flow of immigration have been sold a pup.

Well that all depends on the government actually doing something doesn't it. A brexit would force the government to have to do something as it would bring the end to free movement. I say force, they could sit back and do nothing but I think it is unlikely, especially if they want a 3rd term.

 

[Mr Jack]

See above. With the second highest GDP per capita in Europe, I tend to agree with the Norwegian people that they are just fine outside the EU.

Firstly, Norway's high GDP per capita is largely down to their oil industry; secondly, just because they're doing well now doesn't mean they couldn't be doing better.

 

[Danthus]

Well that all depends on the government actually doing something doesn't it. A brexit would force the government to have to do something as it would bring the end to free movement. I say force, they could sit back and do nothing but I think it is unlikely, especially if they want a 3rd term.

No recent government has shown any inclination to limit immigration, we have had soundbites but what matters is the actual numbers.

 

[Freakbro]

A brexit would force the government to have to do something

Why?

they could sit back and do nothing but I think it is unlikely, especially if they want a 3rd term.

But the only other people who get in are Labour, and they won't stop immigration either

Because, like I said, the ruling parties see a bigger picture and they want it.

 

[Danthus]

Firstly, Norway's high GDP per capita is largely down to their oil industry; secondly, just because they're doing well now doesn't mean they couldn't be doing better.

So Norway sell their products because people want it and need it. They are outside of the EU.

It is almost like you don't have top be part of this big club becasue supply and demand dictates trade.

 

[Mr Jack]

So Norway sell their products because people want it and need it. They are outside of the EU.

It is almost like you don't have top be part of this big club becasue supply and demand dictates trade.

They are part of EFTA and have steadily moved to bring more of their regulation in line with the EU to improve trade. But there's a rather bigger issue with your argument: no-one is saying that trade will cease only that the barriers to trade will increase and that will have a detrimental effect.