Harrow schoolboy died from single punch after telling club promoter: 'You'll work for me one day'

Sounds like each of them acted in exactly the manner their respective stereotypes would suggest. I don't think I've ever met a club promoter who hasn't been an enormous, throbbing bell end.
 
thedoc46 said:
should have, but didn't and is now paying the price.. Thing is though, i'm sure a large percentage of the male population would have also punched him had they been spoken to like that.
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He's not paying anything. He's dead.

I hope that a large percentage of males wouldn't but I fear they probably would.

I'm not suggesting that What I'm saying, or that by not reacting physically is morally superior but I just think it really is sad and upsetting that resorting to violence is deemed an acceptable recourse to a few ill chosen words.
 
Dis86 said:
Might well do (not disagreeing) however you'd still remember the point they were trying to make, or you'd certainly think twice about expressing whatever point you'd just tried to make.
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well given that the other guy seemed to instigate it and had just pushed his mate to the floor it isn't really that unreasonable to hurl some abuse at him...if not punch him first

though 'you'll work for me one day', in a posh accent, is a bit cringeworthy
 
Making stupid comments to in all likelihood stupid people will in all likelihood get you a smack.

It's not about society being "better", its mitigating making bad decisions like calling someone of a lower class/station/position whatever what they are by noting you had an easier life because you have money (well your parents money, so its even worse).

They both deserve a slap, the death was simply a result.

I'm not even sure the story is even being truthful enough anyway to make any judgement.
 
Freefaller said:
but I still don't feel any words justify someone hitting someone.
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Someone telling you they are going to do all sorts of disgusting and criminal things to your kids would push most people to lash out. The majority of people have a weakness somewhere where emotions take over thought.
 
Dis86 said:
Perhaps that's because you're secure in both yourself and your situation. You're evidently successful. This man however may not have the self esteem you do. It's very easy when upset to resort to violence. Sometimes it's the only means people have of restoring what they feel is control over a situation.
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I completely understand that people have different levels of self worth and self esteem. I'm not suggesting At all that my "peace" or "zen" like reaction is anything but atypical, which is a shame, as the violent reaction *should* be, in my opinion the odd one out. I'm just saddened that people still behave like is. :(

Nitefly said:
Mmm I don't know - some people, the weasley sort, think they can get away with anything on the basis of "words are words". Those sort of people that step on others deserve everything and anything coming their way.

That said, this kid was cocky and I'm not surprised if he got a slap but total overkill here.... literally :s
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No I accept the kid was being an idiot, and an arrogant little twerp. And part of me sort of thinks, yes a slap can pull them back in line. However, I still can't help but feel this is just not the right way to behave irrespective of whether it will "learn him". I guess he wanted to teach the kid a lesson but it didn't work.

It's just such a waste. :(
 
AHarvey said:
Someone telling you they are going to do all sorts of disgusting and criminal things to your kids would push most people to lash out. The majority of people have a weakness somewhere where emotions take over thought.
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I'm not denying that everyone has a limit, but a bit of a snobby comment doesn't really deserve such a violent reaction does it?

From the way the story is reported I just feel the reaction is disproportionate.
 
Hopefully a lesson is learned from all of this..

a.\ Don't go around being an arrogant snob saying things you shouldn't, otherwise you 'may' get hurt.

b.\ Don't go around hitting drunken snobs saying things they shouldn't be, cos if you hurt them, you'll 'may' end up in prison.
 
Freefaller said:
Does it? Makes you look like a knuckle dragging Neanderthal to me.

Wow you punched someone... So alpha. :/
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Perhaps it's just me... but I don't think verbally insulting someone is necessarily any better or worse than a bit of fisticuffs.

Obviously physical violence can be taken to extremes that aren't proportionate at all, but I consider a bit of fisticuffs to be more-or-less on the same level as verbal insults. Neither are acceptable in "polite" society.

In other words, you shouldn't talk **** unless you're prepared to get into a spot of brawling!
 
FoxEye said:
In other words, you shouldn't talk **** unless you're prepared to get into a spot of brawling!
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true and really the kid ought to have punched the guy who pushed his mate to the floor rather than insult him with a snobby/cringeworthy comment that made him look completely pompous
 
Gob off, then expect that someone may well react. Plenty of people out there who will swing a punch if provoked.

Very sad that he died obviously, unfortunately that's what can happen, especially when drink is involved.
 
dowie said:
well they'd already got a violent reaction before the snobby comment, his mate had just been pushed to the floor
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Any sensible person would know to shut up and move on. Unfortunately that mistake cost a kid his life, at least the other kid may learn from it.

FoxEye said:
Perhaps it's just me... but I don't think verbally insulting someone is necessarily any better or worse than a bit of fisticuffs.

Obviously physical violence can be taken to extremes that aren't proportionate at all, but I consider a bit of fisticuffs to be more-or-less on the same level as verbal insults. Neither are acceptable in "polite" society.

In other words, you shouldn't talk **** unless you're prepared to get into a spot of brawling!
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Of course you can still get done for section 5 of the public disorder charge for words, but GBH I think carries more seriousness?

The key to this? Don't treat people you don't know badly. :)
 
Freefaller said:
No I accept the kid was being an idiot, and an arrogant little twerp. And part of me sort of thinks, yes a slap can pull them back in line. However, I still can't help but feel this is just not the right way to behave irrespective of whether it will "learn him". I guess he wanted to teach the kid a lesson but it didn't work.

It's just such a waste. :(
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Aye - in this case a big herp led to a tragically fatal derp :(
 
Freefaller said:
Any sensible person would know to shut up and move on. Unfortunately that mistake cost a kid his life, at least the other kid may learn from it.
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If you were out with a friend and someone pushed one of your friends to the floor would you say nothing and move on?

I'm not saying the cringy/snobbish comment was a good idea particularly but reacting to a friend being pushed to the floor isn't necessarily uncalled for.
 
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