Praise Allah to be on British buses

Why would it need to have "Christian" in that phrase. You do know Allan isn't specific to an Islamic god right (which is actually the same God Christians believe in).

It's just the Arabic word for God, used by anyone that speaks Arabic, whether they be Muslim, Christian or any other religion...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

There is some Monty Python in there somewhere, but i thought it was Brian, not Allan :)
 
I think you'll find this mythical "left" you keep talking about (or is it liberal, they seem to be used interchangeably...) are more interested in campaigning against gross stereotyping of an entire group of people based on one common factor (in this case religion, but it could equally be skin colour, education, sex etc)...

In the same way we don't blame all Christians for George bushes insistence that God told him to invade Iraq, we shouldn't just automatically associate an advert that happens to be put up by an Islamic group with terrorist attacks. It shines a more negative light on those that immediately associate the two than the organization that is putting up an advert to promote donating to charitable causes...

Yeah Liberal works too, they are basically interchangeable.

No one has associated an advert with terrorist attacks, that's just something you've posted for some reason. My point was that Islamic culture (specifically the kind of culture we see in most Middle Eastern Arabic countries) isn't something that's compatible with Western culture on the whole due to the aforementioned points.
 
I don't agree with that statement at all, I know lots of Muslims through my personal and working life and all of them integrate with their local communities and with people from other backgrounds. That statement is such a big generalisation that you're completely blind or just a massive troll.



Growing Islamisation? I don't know what the hell that is, but I'm not worried about it at all.

Think the problem is people conflate first generation immigrants with second and third+ generation Brits.

Yes, of course first generation immigrants are going to feel happier and gravitate towards eating the cuisine they are growing up in their home country, having friends they can associate closer with (form their own cultures), struggle with a language that is not their first and possibly have views that their new home don't like. Their children on the other hand generally don't have many of those issues, and their children's children certainly won't, unless of course you segregate them and demonize them, which is unfortunately what many people seem to want to do.

This pattern is the same whether we are talking about Muslims in Britain, or Brits in Spain.
 
Yeah Liberal works too, they are basically interchangeable..

Then I think you need to brush up on your homework, as they most certainly are not interchangeable.

Look up the political compass rather than then perception of a linear line.

For example : Stalin was 'left', a communist, but was certainly not a Liberal, but the exact opposite, being an Authoritarian
 
Yeah Liberal works too, they are basically interchangeable.

No one has associated an advert with terrorist attacks, that's just something you've posted for some reason. My point was that Islamic culture (specifically the kind of culture we see in most Middle Eastern Arabic countries) isn't something that's compatible with Western culture on the whole due to the aforementioned points.

Firstly not interchangeable, the fact you use it so much and think its interchangeable is laughable.


As for associating it with terrorist attacks... there is a picture of the bombed bus on the first page of the thread...
 
Then I think you need to brush up on your homework, as they most certainly are not interchangeable.

Look up the political compass rather than then perception of a linear line.

For example : Stalin was 'left', a communist, but was certainly not a Liberal, but the exact opposite, being an Authoritarian

Yes there's Economically Left and Socially Left, in this context I'm obviously talking about the latter. I assumed some intelligence on the part of the reader
 
People are free to choose if they want to live some sort of weird regieme. A lot of us denounce what we see as the negative parts of Islam. But if people really want to live like that then that's up to them, as long as it doesn't effect the rest of us.

That's why the left defend Islam.

It isn't quite as simple as that. Islam as a religion isn't overly liberal, it is structurally biased and discriminatory towards women, homosexuals and anyone not of the faith. Mainstream Christianity is moving away from this in the UK at least but is still far from perfect.

While freedom of religion is incredibly important from a liberal point of view there is a conflict when the religion itself is deeply illiberal.
 
Why would it need to have "Christian" in that phrase. You do know Allan isn't specific to an Islamic god right (which is actually the same God Christians believe in).

U WOT M8? Christians and muslims do not have the same God, Jesus is God and in islam Jesus has a lesser role of prophet and not even the greatest one.
 
Ever heard of the Holy Trinity?

I've read about Ringwraiths in a book too, doesn't mean they are real.

And it's not like all of the Christian faiths agree on this point either, so it's just an interpretation. And isn't it that Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all classed as Abrahamic faiths, so the same core just with some different interpretations.
 
When are these idiots going to get in their heads that we DON'T care what they do or don't believe in.Religion should be a private matter not something you try to enforce on to others or change society to accommodate your ridiculous beliefs.I wont bend or change for islam ever and cannot ever respect it.

All religious people are looneys we'd be better off without.
 
We should be insulting Catholics and white boys in every thread about muslims. Facts are (and topics?) irrelevant.

Now my strange and obvious liberal question to you Arazi is, why can't buses jump over rivers?

Buses can jump over rivers...a bit. A driver jumped a bus a bit of the way over Tower Bridge in the 1950s. The bridge was rising as he drove the bus over and by the time he was close enough to see what was happening he decided he couldn't stop in time and then reverse back down the bridge in time, so he went for the jump instead. He cleared the gap with only a few minor injuries to the passengers and got a reward for doing so.

Strange but true.
 
Think the problem is people conflate first generation immigrants with second and third+ generation Brits.

Yes, of course first generation immigrants are going to feel happier and gravitate towards eating the cuisine they are growing up in their home country, having friends they can associate closer with (form their own cultures), struggle with a language that is not their first and possibly have views that their new home don't like. Their children on the other hand generally don't have many of those issues, and their children's children certainly won't, unless of course you segregate them and demonize them, which is unfortunately what many people seem to want to do.

This pattern is the same whether we are talking about Muslims in Britain, or Brits in Spain.

That's only true when the immigration is on a small enough scale and the immigrants don't have a lot of power and a high enough proportion of them want to integrate. Which used to usually be true for immigration into this country. It isn't any more, not since the scale of immigration became too large and multiculturalism became the dominant ideology on the subject.
 
U WOT M8? Christians and muslims do not have the same God, Jesus is God and in islam Jesus has a lesser role of prophet and not even the greatest one.

They do have the same god. Judaism, Christianity (Judaism 2) and Islam (Judaism 3) have the same god. There are many differences, but they have the same god.

Christianity also has the rather odd trinity thing, where that 1 god is 3 while being 1, but it's the same god.
 
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