Evil Geniuses Announces AMD Sponsorship

layte · 20 May 2016 at 23:18

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
And how do any of us know,whether you or anybody else in the graphics subforum is doing the same?? You are crying wolf,since you don't seem to understand this is the internet and 99% of people to speak to you have never met.

You have no clue whether you should trust anybody or not.

Or are we going to go the way,that people who get sponsorships and game codes from AMD,Nvidia,Intel,are also suspect.

You said this too:

Who else,then??

I didn't see some of you question Foxeye when he made a baseless accusation against me??

We have some very good evidence regarding OPs position. I fail to see why you are ignoring this particular elephant in the room and are trying to construct a paranoid narrative.

As for who else, well DM has admitted in the past to owning shares in AMD, as for anyone else, I wouldn't want to name names as I have noting to support my claim.

h4rm0ny · 20 May 2016 at 23:28

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Actually he was basing it on what John Taylor from AMD said in this article:

http://www.itwire.com/it-industry-n...ll-favourably-compete-with-intel-skylake.html

I posted it in the Zen thread a few days ago.

So that is AMD PR raising expectations - they have a patchy track record like any PR so obviously we need to wait until reviews are out to see what actual performance is like.

I expected it more to be like IB level(hopefully) and probably in the mid 3GHZ range for clockspeeds.

I'm aware of what they were referring to. I pointed out to them that the quote did NOT say "at least as powerful as Skylake" which is what they were claiming. And when I pointed that out they tried to claim they were the same thing. They're really not and one is exactly the sort of rampant explanation that leads to out of control hype.

I get your desire to stop people from dismissing someone's statements via accusations of bias. But I pulled them up because their statement was wrong and all I've said on the subject of their interests is that it is best when asked if you have some particular interest in the discussion to be up front about it rather than to lie and state that you have no interest, which is what the poster did (check their posts).

I mean I'm very positive about AMD's new chips but someone posting exaggerations and then claiming not to have any interest when they have a forty-thousand pound stake in it, is something that DAMAGES AMD's reputation and also kicks off a feeling of distrust on the forum.

Nothing I've said in this thread was wrong to say.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 20 May 2016 at 23:29

layte said:
We have some very good evidence regarding OPs position. I fail to see why you are ignoring this particular elephant in the room and are trying to construct a paranoid narrative.

As for who else, well DM has admitted in the past to owning shares in AMD, as for anyone else, I wouldn't want to name names as I have noting to support my claim.

The paranoid narative already exists - you already admitted it:

all the glowing AMD and negative Intel/NV stuff he posts given he stands to benefit directly.

I'd love to know who else is in the same boat here, I have my suspicions.

So I assume that is people outside the OP and DM?? So that means you have zero evidence to base your viewpoint on. You are already paranoid.

I have been called an AMD employee,Gregster got called a Nvidia shill recently,etc. These are all baseless accusations from people who just want to shut up people.

It is happening more and more on this forum.

Plus,you are ignorant of the internet. You have no clue what anybody is saying is genuine or not. You have never met most of them - they are not your mate. Can you trust them??

So are you 100% sure,that everybody else in this subforum does not own any shares in AMD or Nvidia?? Has a vested interest??Can you verify that?? You can't.

The same with any forum.

I have seen how AT forums went,once people starting calling each other out and it ended badly.

Gregster said:
To be honest, it is no different to shilling IMO. Look at NVidia when they used to send out "gifts" to shills and the uproar that ensued. It wouldn't be so bad but the OP is totally negative to anything that isn't AMD, so in this instance (and if it seems like I am picking on the OP, I am seriously not), it does come across as a monetary agenda. For reference, I have never checked up on the OP or suspected him of having that amount of shares (or any affiliation with AMD) and I do wish him good luck

So instead of people going down to his level,just look at what he posts and put a dose of reality to it.

I mean if flopper or AthlonXP1800 post anything,we don't take it at face value?? They are seriously pro-AMD and pro-Nvidia.

h4rm0ny · 20 May 2016 at 23:33

layte said:
As for who else, well DM has admitted in the past to owning shares in AMD, as for anyone else, I wouldn't want to name names as I have noting to support my claim.

DM can hardly be accused of not supporting their posts with argument however. Having an interest or affiliation doesn't mean what one says is wrong. It's just something that for very obvious reasons can be something one should not conceal without good reason.

A post should always be assessed on the evidence, citations or logic it brings to bear, never on assertion or authority. And if it is, then someone's affiliation is irrelevant. I've never seen a post by DM that didn't have a solid underpinning of technical explanation. This person's post was factually wrong.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 20 May 2016 at 23:38

h4rm0ny said:
I'm aware of what they were referring to. I pointed out to them that the quote did NOT say "at least as powerful as Skylake" which is what they were claiming. And when I pointed that out they tried to claim they were the same thing. They're really not and one is exactly the sort of rampant explanation that leads to out of control hype.

I get your desire to stop people from dismissing someone's statements via accusations of bias. But I pulled them up because their statement was wrong and all I've said on the subject of their interests is that it is best when asked if you have some particular interest in the discussion to be up front about it rather than to lie and state that you have no interest, which is what the poster did (check their posts).

I mean I'm very positive about AMD's new chips but someone posting exaggerations and then claiming not to have any interest when they have a forty-thousand pound stake in it, is something that DAMAGES AMD's reputation and also kicks off a feeling of distrust on the forum.

Nothing I've said in this thread was wrong to say.

I get what you are saying and agree to a degree,but if he is quite AMD biased(seen some of his posts on HUKD too),so sadly he is going to take what AMD said at face value and add some more. Plus we have no clue whether others have undisclosed interests in AMD,Nvidia or Intel. If people like DM do own shares,they have voluntarily given that information up. They could have kept quiet.

What about those which have hidden the information?? None of us know.

I am more likely to add scepticism to Zen,and would be pleasantly surprised if they got even close to Broadwell IPC and ST performance. I suspect,AMD might be adding MT performance to the figures,which might skew things if their HT implementation is better.

Plus PR is PR.Meh!

Edit!!

For example,this chap writes for The Motley Fool investment site,and his articles tend to be a bit more Nvidia friendly:

http://www.fool.com/author/4997/index.aspx

People found out he was an active,somewhat more Nvidia-biased,poster on forums like Anandtech.

They basically asked him if he was that guy and he said yes. Some were a bit off about it,but most people accepted it and moved on. There is another guy who owns a shop in Greece(and he said he did),so tests a lot of CPUs out,and some jumped on him as an AMD pumper from some paranoid people,and the poor guy got a ton of flack for ages afterwards,even did loads of test of both AMD and Intel CPUs(plenty showing Intel in a better light). Yet he is one of the few that actually tests things out and his results look in line with what we see elsewhere.

The problem is that people started throwing accusations each way in general at other posters.

I would rather read what people have to say and then make my decision based on that.

OnionSpark · 21 May 2016 at 02:40

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
They could be easily be one of his opposites on HUKD under a different username.

Well, thank you for taking a break from your dozens of paragraphs about not making baseless accusations against people in order to make a baseless accusation against me.

I've browsed HUKD on and off for years, but the community is toxic, like swarms of vultures who buy out every limited stock deal in order to profiteer on Generic Internet Auction Site Name Here. I've never bothered to register.

But I absolutely agree with your sentiment about having no evidence and yet making accusations. It just doesn't apply here.

OnionSpark · 21 May 2016 at 02:41

layte said:
OP is not employed either directly or via proxy by AMD (as far as we know)...

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It is illegal in the UK to do not show your affiliation with a company.

I suppose the question then becomes, which AIB partner does Ferrari100 work for?

Ferrari100 said:
I work for an AIB.
Therefore, how would I not be in the know???

(Assuming they mean AIB partner, of course!

)

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 May 2016 at 03:25

OnionSpark said:
I suppose the question then becomes, which AIB partner does Ferrari100 work for?

(Assuming they mean AIB partner, of course! )

Considering he is not doing a good job of being that "anonymous" I think he is failing the most important part of that law I quoted.

Looking at his HUKD deals history:

http://www.hotukdeals.com/profile/Ferrari100?page=2

He has been a member for five years and posted 52 deals.

In three years he has posted 9,yes a whole,9 AMD related deals. Six of them are for cards from multiple AIB partners.

I tried looking for his posts,but need an account to do so.

If he is a stealth AMD-AIB shill marketeer,he is doing a pretty rubbish job by:
1.)Being massively AMD biased in an obvious way
2.)Not really being that stealthy by divulging who he works for and how he invests on a forum with 1.5 million people
3.)Having the same username over multiple forums
4.)Not really making that many AMD centric threads(six in the last year).

Plus,you might also find one or two posters here have mentioned how they have got access to Nvidia stand at CES(IIRC),indicating they have some links through work with them.Some on this forum have even got free game codes sent by Nvidia.They have been pretty much transparent about it here. You have people on a few other forums,who leak information - Zlatan on Anandtech forums has been quite accurate on leaks and he admitted he works in the VR field so probably has access to AIB cards. Mahigan(who many posters have heard of),used to work for ATI years ago. Another guy who I used to chat with here during the Fermi days,actually worked with Nvidia cards in a research sense IIRC.

If you can find who the partner is,whether it is AMD or Nvidia,and then link it we can ask the AIB on Twitter what they are playing at and probably boycott their products.

Edit!!

In fact it is even more unusual,that even though that post about the AIB you linked for is a year old,you waited all that time to post it. Heck,even the other one is like one month old.

So,why have you waited so long to post this?? The OP has been here for years.

:confused:

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 May 2016 at 04:55

OnionSpark said:
Well, thank you for taking a break from your dozens of paragraphs about not making baseless accusations against people in order to make a baseless accusation against me.

I've browsed HUKD on and off for years, but the community is toxic, like swarms of vultures who buy out every limited stock deal in order to profiteer on Generic Internet Auction Site Name Here. I've never bothered to register.

But I absolutely agree with your sentiment about having no evidence and yet making accusations. It just doesn't apply here.

The problem is that unless you register,how did you manage to find posts a year old?? There is no way to search those older posts unless you register.

But the problem,none of us know who you are either - you word is as good as anybody else here.

The OP has clearly stated on a public forum his affiliations are ,I don't actually know what yours is??

So,we by extension need to verify yours too. Your the one is going on the attack against this guy.

You are trying to come across as this totally neutral person,but only a person who has some beef with the OP would remember his posts,search them and quote them a year later.

He has been posting here for three years.

But lets go back to your first proper post here,which of course has to spin the news in the most negative way:

That's what the link says.

So horrible when professionals lose their performance streaks due to inferior equipment, no matter what the sport.

Although it's strange to see this "news" under the Hardware - Graphics Cards part of any forum, let alone a UK forum (considering it's an American/Korean professional gaming team getting sponsored by an American company!).

Do you happen to have any affiliation with AMD, EvilGeniuses or LegitReviews, Ferrari100?

So instead of reporting the OP,asking for the thread to be moved or going to the relevant subforum you decided it was time to thrash the thread.

Right,so the fact never crossed your mind,that the gaming outfit might be getting some of the newer AMD CPUs like Zen,which AMD has said is being released this year??

Yet also plenty of us have made threads about things not 100% relevant to a UK forum. This is an example of one I made:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18713123

That is a Chinese MMO.

It gets better. There are bench threads for this Chinese MMO in this sub-forum:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18649977
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18648154

That is Kaapstad,Cooper and Gregster involved in those threads.

Considering I doubt any of us are really going to play a Chinese MMO,well being based in the UK.

Not the first or the last ones many of us have made.

Edit!!

Here is another you made:

I suppose it's entirely coincidental that a couple of your comments I read have included a few misleading statements about AMD - for example, your recent thread title about AMD achieving a 29% market share described it as a "30% MarketShare [sic]".

Umm?? Really dude,are you that petty - he was making a rounding up of the figure.

AMD's just happily shared some good news for the once leading graphics card brand. According to research firm Mercury Research, AMD's share of the discrete graphics market increased by 3.2 per cent quarter on quarter. This takes AMD's total market share to 29.4 per cent.

You then followed the OP into the Polaris thread and your posts were pretty negative there.

So,so far we have had you be very negative about the AMD gaming sponsorship,negative about AMD gaining share and negative about AMD in the Polaris thread.

I am seeing a sort of vibe with you after 20 odd posts:
1.)You like following Ferrari100 around
2.)You are just generally negative about AMD
3.)You have a beef with Ferrari100

I cannot even remember people's posts made a week or two ago. Yet you managed to remember a post he made one year ago,on a forum you need to be registered on to be able to search posts,despite the fact you say you don't even go on the forum that much and are not registered on. He has made 1210 comments.

Then it takes one year for you to sit on that and post it here.

Something is going on between you two.

SiDeards73 · 21 May 2016 at 05:49

Lol nice one Cat, this onion dude comes across as a bit condescending and very arrogant. Who cares if someone has a professional affiliation with AMD or Nvidia, I don't. Good luck to them I say, anything they say or do here won't sway me on wah or another as the cost of hardware nowadays is not trivial enough to just buy on the say so of a random internet post without any actual research.

Doing so is stupid

Phixsator · 21 May 2016 at 06:17

SiDeards73 said:
Lol nice one Cat, this onion dude comes across as a bit condescending and very arrogant. Who cares if someone has a professional affiliation with AMD or Nvidia, I don't. Good luck to them I say, anything they say or do here won't sway me on wah or another as the cost of hardware nowadays is not trivial enough to just buy on the say so of a random internet post without any actual research.

Doing so is stupid

i care a good deal actually. You and I may not be swayed but what about 90% of the rest of the forum users with limited knowledge or the ones google passes by here who aren't even members?

I hear this a lot, to just ignore what doesn't affect me directly, but i it does affect me and you indirectly. Its the majority that determines the market not the niché and you dont want a misinformed majority. Just look at how erranous rumours and information has tend to spread like gospel because people don't do research. An example of this would be that AMD was lying about adaptive sync being a firmware update and look how fast that spread even though it was just a firmware update (OCUK Post) or there is that video with a guy in a freaking zoo of all places that turns into gospel that Polaris is delayed? So my points stands no matter what way you swing, green or red, misinformation is bad for everone but those with a hidden monetary agenda.

queamin · 21 May 2016 at 06:45

OnionSpark asked 2 people already that if they are affiliated with Amd already and he has only 21 posts, at the time it was 11 makes you wonder why, he has only been here 2 months at the most.

OnionSpark · 21 May 2016 at 06:58

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
So,why have you waited so long to post this?? The OP has been here for years.

It's an easy answer, and shouldn't be too confusing. I noticed there was some misinformation here by a "Ferrari100" a few weeks ago, at the same time I read about a "Ferrari100" having £40,000 in AMD shares at HUKD. I'd already closed the tab with their bad post here, so didn't respond at the time.

Then I saw that bad-maths thread by Ferrari100 two days ago, and this awfully tenacious thread today, so I wondered if they were the same person, as it looked like they probably were.

I can remember reading something three weeks earlier and am able to Google it and find it again - this is the superpower you accuse me of having?

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The problem is that unless you register,how did you manage to find posts a year old?? There is no way to search those older posts unless you register.

I haven't done any HUKD searches - I've used Google. I must admit, I spent about 20 minutes reading some incredible stuff from that guy - as you've already apparently sunk far more time into this issue than I have, I recommend that you keep on reading. Searching "Ferrari100" "Nvidia Mafia" is a great one.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
But the problem,none of us know who you are either - you word is as good as anybody else here.

I'm not asking you to take my "word" for anything, though, hence the links and quotes. In my opinion, it's useful context for reading Ferrari100's posts.

If you are saying that if you saw someone spreading misinformation on this forum, and you could provide context to help others understand why this was happening, you would stay quiet and refuse to help the other users here? That's your prerogative, and you're welcome to ignore the information I'm sharing, of course.

(Although you were the one who said Ferrari100 was breaking the law here by not revealing that he works for an AIB partner - I'm surprised that you're devoting thousands of words to defending someone you've also fingered as a criminal (oo-er).)

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
If you can find who the partner is,whether it is AMD or Nvidia,and then link it we can ask the AIB on Twitter what they are playing at and probably boycott their products.

OK, I'll do everything in my power to find out.

'Scuse me, Ferrari100! Which AIB partner do you work for?

There! Now we wait...

queamin said:
OnionSpark asked 2 people already that if they are affiliated with Amd already

No, both of those people were Ferrari100. And you can see why I asked by reading this post. Hooray!

queamin · 21 May 2016 at 06:59

Humbug as well.

Troezar · 21 May 2016 at 07:03

Only believe the numbers and then only when they come from an open and reliable source with something to lose if they're fudging the figures. Anything else is rumour or unreliable.

After all how much weight would you attribute to a random forum poster reporting on a world news story? At the very least you'd check against one of the large news organisations.

OnionSpark · 21 May 2016 at 07:14

queamin said:
Humbug as well.

Errr... when? Link/quote? :confused:

Sayso · 21 May 2016 at 07:25

OnionSpark said:
Errr... when? Link/quote?

I think this is exactly what Cat was talking about....let the accusations fly!!!

I hate the GPU forum its the worst part on here, mods could delete 80% of the posts (including this one!) as they have nothing to do with graphics cards.

whyscotty · 21 May 2016 at 07:26

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Something is going on between you two.

Lovers tiff?

queamin · 21 May 2016 at 07:33

OnionSpark said:
Errr... when? Link/quote?

My bad, you replied to Humbug but had a line asking op are you affiliated to Amd, I thought you meant Humbug.

Ferrari100 · 21 May 2016 at 09:01

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The problem is that unless you register,how did you manage to find posts a year old?? There is no way to search those older posts unless you register.

But the problem,none of us know who you are either - you word is as good as anybody else here.

The OP has clearly stated on a public forum his affiliations are ,I don't actually know what yours is??

So,we by extension need to verify yours too. Your the one is going on the attack against this guy.

You are trying to come across as this totally neutral person,but only a person who has some beef with the OP would remember his posts,search them and quote them a year later.

He has been posting here for three years.

But lets go back to your first proper post here,which of course has to spin the news in the most negative way:

So instead of reporting the OP,asking for the thread to be moved or going to the relevant subforum you decided it was time to thrash the thread.

Right,so the fact never crossed your mind,that the gaming outfit might be getting some of the newer AMD CPUs like Zen,which AMD has said is being released this year??

Yet also plenty of us have made threads about things not 100% relevant to a UK forum. This is an example of one I made:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18713123

That is a Chinese MMO.

It gets better. There are bench threads for this Chinese MMO in this sub-forum:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18649977
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18648154

That is Kaapstad,Cooper and Gregster involved in those threads.

Considering I doubt any of us are really going to play a Chinese MMO,well being based in the UK.

Not the first or the last ones many of us have made.

Edit!!

Here is another you made:

Umm?? Really dude,are you that petty - he was making a rounding up of the figure.

You then followed the OP into the Polaris thread and your posts were pretty negative there.

So,so far we have had you be very negative about the AMD gaming sponsorship,negative about AMD gaining share and negative about AMD in the Polaris thread.

I am seeing a sort of vibe with you after 20 odd posts:
1.)You like following Ferrari100 around
2.)You are just generally negative about AMD
3.)You have a beef with Ferrari100

I cannot even remember people's posts made a week or two ago. Yet you managed to remember a post he made one year ago,on a forum you need to be registered on to be able to search posts,despite the fact you say you don't even go on the forum that much and are not registered on. He has made 1210 comments.

Then it takes one year for you to sit on that and post it here.

Something is going on between you two.

Not as far as I am concerned there is nothing between us, I don't know the person and although I am generally friendly, I have not cared for his comments for a while now, this is why I remained out of this thread tbh. However, he does stalk me but why bother with it? This is the internet. Nothing I can really do about it.

I just wanted to highlight a bit of good news were it really matters - gaming. That's what GPU's are primarily for and its nice to see AMD consider these aspects within the gaming community.