GTX 1070 performance

[HACO]

It's only 24% faster

The basic maths thing makes the 1070 19.4% slower than the 1080

If its 30% slower then that will make it slower than the 980ti. Where did you get that 30% number from? It was 19/24% yesterday.

It has 75% of the CUDA cores of 1080, and they're running at 93.7% of the speed. That doesn't even take into account the GDDR5 memory. The compounding effect will be around 70% of the performance. Basic math here:

0.937 x 0.75 = 0.70

That's how I came up with the 70% performance figure, which I think is actually optimistic, given that the memory could be adding an additional performance difference there.

Obviously exact real-world difference in FPS will need to wait until full reviews are out (a couple of benchmark figures usually aren't enough). Until then, I think this is the safest way to look at things.

 

[Greebo]

Seems like 1070 will offer around 70% of the performance of the 1080, or in other words, 1080 is around 42% faster than 1070. That's higher than the difference we had with 980 and 970.

I'm not surprised. NVIDIA will probably do that to boost the sales of 1080 which gives them a much higher profit.

Sisnce when? ALl the info Ive seen puts the 1070 20% slower and 1080 24% faster?

Plus Nvidia would really be lying then with its claim its faster than a 980ti since the 1080 is only 22% faster.

 

[Greebo]

It has 75% of the CUDA cores of 1080, and they're running at 93.7% of the speed. That doesn't even take into account the GDDR5 memory. The compounding effect will be around 70% of the performance. Basic math here:

0.937 x 0.75 = 0.70

That's how I came up with the 70% performance figure, which I think is actually optimistic, given that the memory could be adding an additional performance difference there.

Obviously exact real-world difference in FPS will need to wait until full reviews are out (a couple of benchmark figures usually aren't enough). Until then, I think this is the safest way to look at things.

the gddr5 speed doesnt matter. SO long as the 1070 has enough bandwidth then it wont slow it down.

For the same reason a 1080 with HBM2 wouldnt be any faster, the gddr5x is more than enough.

 

[Mr_Sukebe]

Seems like 1070 will offer around 70% of the performance of the 1080, or in other words, 1080 is around 42% faster than 1070. That's higher than the difference we had with 980 and 970.

I'm not surprised. NVIDIA will probably do that to boost the sales of 1080 which gives them a much higher profit.

Got a link to some benchmarks that refer to the performance differences in actual games?

 

[Drizmod]

So it seems like a second hand 980ti would be the price/performance king this time then?

 

[XeNoNF50]

If this comes in at 350 then I will bite. Otherwise I may just wait for Polaris which will be slower and cheaper but i reckon still better for perf/price.

 

[subbytna]

Having been on both green and red sdes, I think Nvidia have shot themselves in the foot pricing the 1000 series cards this high. AMD can steal a march on them if their new cards are any way decent and cheaper too. Bang for buck they have a chance to wallop Nvidia.

 

[Greebo]

So it seems like a second hand 980ti would be the price/performance king this time then?

Depends if second hand price drops........

1070 should settle down to £350 after initial gauge.

2nd hand 980ti are currently £350.

Both approx the same speed.

1070 has more memory, will be much faster at VR and will likely to become faster than the 980ti in games as new drivers develop over the next few weeks (always seem to happen with Nvidia with some great gains) plus you will have warranty.


Plus side of the 980ti is that overclocked I suspect it will end up being faster than an overclock 1070. This advantage might get wiped out by driver improvements.

SO for me for a second hand 980ti to have the price/performance crown it would need to drop below £300 and ideally, bearing in mind its second hand, probably £250.

 

[Greebo]

Having been on both green and red sdes, I think Nvidia have shot themselves in the foot pricing the 1000 series cards this high. AMD can steal a march on them if their new cards are any way decent and cheaper too. Bang for buck they have a chance to wallop Nvidia.

Not really, Nvidia just then knocks $100 off the list price. In the meantime these will sell like hotcakes anyway. And previously AM|D have had far superior bang for buck cards than Nvidia but it didnt stop the more expensive Nvidia equivalent card still outselling AMD. Look at the 970 now. Sells more than the 390x but the 390x spanks it.

Hell Gibbo says that they have over 20,000 cards coming in over the next week (1070s and 1080s) on top the the thousands of 1080s they have already. ANd thats just one retailer.

 

[~>Dg<~]

i think the 1070 gtx will be £400 min.

if it matches the ti in performance with newer tech and the 1080 is £620 it has to be min £400. they will still shift at £400 aswell because many wont eat the stupid 1080 price but want a upgrade.so 1070 will sell well

 

[Greebo]

i think the 1070 gtx will be £400 min.

if it matches the ti in performance with newer tech and the 1080 is £620 it has to be min £400. they will still shift at £400 aswell because many wont eat the stupid 1080 price but want a upgrade.so 1070 will sell well

It will be £400 for the founders edition, normal cards should be £350. Partner cards with improved cooling is anybody's guess.

 

[nashathedog]

No what makes me happy is quashing propoganda post about GFX card prcing from Forum members like you

But you did admit to ignoring the $650 price of the 780 so I'll forgive you

No one wants high prices but

the GTX 980 was $549 on release...

The GTX 1080 non FE is $599 on release.

Difference $50

I can't make it any clearer...

Until we see what 1080's actually cost $599 you can't rule out the FE's price as that was the 980 that cost $549. The reference card.

 

[MooMoo444]

TitanX used prices just taken a massive nose dive.

You don't buy a Titan card if you're worried about resale value!

 

[HACO]

the gddr5 speed doesnt matter. SO long as the 1070 has enough bandwidth then it wont slow it down.

For the same reason a 1080 with HBM2 wouldnt be any faster, the gddr5x is more than enough.

That's why the calculation that I did, didn't take into account anything from the difference in memory. I only pointed that out.

Got a link to some benchmarks that refer to the performance differences in actual games?

Not until the NDA on it is lifted and we see reviews from the usual websites.

 

[nashathedog]

The 970 is kinda mid range.....now. On release it was the second fastest card out, thus high end.

So a 1070 being faster than the Titan X is mid range so Titan X is what? Low end?.

By your logic my 4870 that I have laying in a drawer must still be high end because once apon a time it was.

Basically it's a case of mid level cards being perceived as high end because Nvidia and AMD stagger there releases.
Once you have the full 10 series range on the market the 1080 is a mid range card.

 

[nashathedog]

the gddr5 speed doesnt matter. SO long as the 1070 has enough bandwidth then it wont slow it down.

For the same reason a 1080 with HBM2 wouldnt be any faster, the gddr5x is more than enough.

I reckon that if the 1080 had HBM it would have knocked the wind out of it's overclocking potential.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's something we're all going to find out when the next HBM cards release.

HBM kills a cards overclocking potential.
Possibly

 

[Legend]

Basically it's a case of mid level cards being perceived as high end because Nvidia and AMD stagger there releases.
Once you have the full 10 series range on the market the 1080 is a mid range card.

You can pretty much always make this argument though, that on release EVERYTHING is high end... until it's not. I'm just waiting for people to start categorising cards within their own brackets next, so the 1060 when released will be high-end, for it's price and performance tier. The 1070 is faster, obviously high-end, but again exists within its own tier, separate from the other cards. And then we have the 1080, again high-end of course, out there in a league of its own. Basically nothing is mid-range anymore, everything is amazing and brilliant and therefore justified to be priced high. YOU PAY NOW!

 

[melmac]

You can pretty much always make this argument though, that on release EVERYTHING is high end... until it's not. I'm just waiting for people to start categorising cards within their own brackets next, so the 1060 when released will be high-end, for it's price and performance tier. The 1070 is faster, obviously high-end, but again exists within its own tier, separate from the other cards. And then we have the 1080, again high-end of course, out there in a league of its own. Basically nothing is mid-range anymore, everything is amazing and brilliant and therefore justified to be priced high. YOU PAY NOW!

IT really annoys me. It's one of the most stupid arguments that I have seen on these forums.

Everybody knows that they are mid range cards, but, they are either justifying their future purchase or defending Nvidia, so they are calling them high end to make themselves feel better.

Those are the only two explanations I can think of as to why intelligent people on these forums are calling these cards high end. People new to the forums and people out on the street, I can understand why there would be confused.

What frustrates me most is how many people on this forum laughed when the 680 beat the 7970. Claiming look how a mid range card beat a high end card. Asked how they knew how the 680 was a mid range card? Oh because it was built on the GK104 part and everybody knows that Nvidia base their mid range cards on the GXXX4 part!! And now those same people are claiming that the 980 and 1080 are high end cards and are happy to pay to high end prices for those cards. Conveniently forgetting that these cards are built on GXXX4 parts

I just find the whole thing a little surreal.

 

[Reality|Bites]

maybe they are sales people trying to brainwash us? lol

 

[Greebo]

IT really annoys me. It's one of the most stupid arguments that I have seen on these forums.

Everybody knows that they are mid range cards, but, they are either justifying their future purchase or defending Nvidia, so they are calling them high end to make themselves feel better.

Those are the only two explanations I can think of as to why intelligent people on these forums are calling these cards high end. People new to the forums and people out on the street, I can understand why there would be confused.

What frustrates me most is how many people on this forum laughed when the 680 beat the 7970. Claiming look how a mid range card beat a high end card. Asked how they knew how the 680 was a mid range card? Oh because it was built on the GK104 part and everybody knows that Nvidia base their mid range cards on the GXXX4 part!! And now those same people are claiming that the 980 and 1080 are high end cards and are happy to pay to high end prices for those cards. Conveniently forgetting that these cards are built on GXXX4 parts

I just find the whole thing a little surreal.

I suppose the point is that 97% of all graphics cards sold are the £350 or less ones. Therefore anything above £250 could be considered high end as only 3% of the market are prepared to pay that much for a graphics card.