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Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)
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Hysterical remainer just practically predicted civil war if there is a leave vote on Question Time.
Project Fear is in full effect.
Project Fear is in full effect.
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All you need to know about Owen Jones...
He turns quicker than a glass of milk in the Sahara Dessert
He turns quicker than a glass of milk in the Sahara Dessert
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That was great. Dave had a bit of a mare tbh.
Well done to sky for actually getting an audience that would give him a hard time. If it was the BBC they would just fill the studio up with a load of remainers and the hour would be spent pleading for refugees to be let in and kissing Dave's arris.
Well done to sky for actually getting an audience that would give him a hard time. If it was the BBC they would just fill the studio up with a load of remainers and the hour would be spent pleading for refugees to be let in and kissing Dave's arris.
You would still be able to go on an EU holiday. You may need to fill in another form but that's about it.
Really?
I work for an EU financial institution who have told us that nothing will change in the next two years apart from some management of turbulent markets that has already been taken into account. They expect deals to be done quickly given the mutual interests.
I can't believe how my political stance has shifted from centre-right "tory boy" to centre-left "semi-socialist" in the past year and being convinced that Brexit will, in the long term, benefit our country as a whole.
Kick out the influence of authoritarian EU lunatics and megalomaniacs. We can run our own affairs, reform the electoral system and do well. We will suffer the conservatives (who I voted for) for a few years who *actually* might not be so bad without Camoron and Ozbot.
I want electoral reform and properly accountable UK democracy. We're not a nation of morons and are prefectly capable of getting things done. Maybe the current government are just terrified of dong the job that they were actually elected to do.
Sorry, drunken post but YES to Europe, NO to the EU.
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The main reasons are.. I quite like the environment and dont think the UK will do as much good here
We will still have to keep the same free movement rules and have no veto on turkey joining if we adopt the Norway model (which I think it's the goal of exit?)
We probably won't do any better on free trade for a long time
If we can't control migration I don't see the point of being out
I don't (and have ) believed the projections from either side
It's hard to weigh up the costs/benefits not knowing everything.
But a big factor is I don't trust the government to keep up what good the eu has done for us. If I did I'd be very strong out. But I don't
Everything is built on assumptions right now.
I personally think that there will be riots if a leave deal includes free movement of Turkish and other newly-ascended EU citizens into the UK. I honestly can't see a leave win including free movement of people as it's a pivotal argument of the campaign. Such a betrayal would be unforgivable. I should be clear that I do not support removal of EU citizens already in the UK and in employment or who enjoy a famlly life. The Dutch PM is already threatening a tit-for-tat war on this. Great "friend", eh?
Being outside of the labour market would mean an increase in costs but is that really such a problem? It's about time people faced up to the cost of producing things and it's about time that corporations stopped squeezing producers down to the last penny. Our farmers are treated like scum just to get another 5p off the cost of a pint of milk. It's time to stop being selfish ******s IMO. Things cost money to produce and many other countries pay way more in tax than we do.
Remain say that leaving will drive labour costs up but will also drag them down. Which is it?
i don't trust the government either but I'm looking at the next 10-20 years. If it turns out that we're a bunch of morons then we can return to the EU cap in hand with our tail between our legs but I'd rather take the risk of exiting and seeking forgiveness than continuing with the current path (which absolutely isn't the status quo).
EDIT: Sorry, few changes before being quoted.
I personally think that there will be riots if a leave deal includes free movement of Turkish and other newly-ascended EU citizens into the UK. I honestly can't see a leave win including free movement of people as it's a pivotal argument of the campaign. Such a betrayal would be unforgivable. I should be clear that I do not support removal of EU citizens already in the UK and in employment or who enjoy a famlly life. The Dutch PM is already threatening a tit-for-tat war on this. Great "friend", eh?
Being outside of the labour market would mean an increase in costs but is that really such a problem? It's about time people faced up to the cost of producing things and it's about time that corporations stopped squeezing producers down to the last penny. Our farmers are treated like scum just to get another 5p off the cost of a pint of milk. It's time to stop being selfish ******s IMO. Things cost money to produce and many other countries pay way more in tax than we do.
Remain say that leaving will drive labour costs up but will also drag them down. Which is it?
i don't trust the government either but I'm looking at the next 10-20 years. If it turns out that we're a bunch of morons then we can return to the EU cap in hand with our tail between our legs but I'd rather take the risk of exiting and seeking forgiveness than continuing with the current path (which absolutely isn't the status quo).
EDIT: Sorry, few changes before being quoted.
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The next 10-20 years is unpredictable.
But if you stop squeezing everyone you end up sending prices up for everything and people buy less.
I really don't believe in our civilization you can get away from greed. It's how things work
I still haven't heard how we will get a good trade deal and still be able to implement a Australia based immigration system. Which is what I would like
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True, but,
Anyone who votes in thinking that the net migration figure will come down is deluded also.
I hate to break it to you buddy, but everything that comes from the BBC, IS propaganda. Same for any news publisher.
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In terms of actually getting through border controls, this is likely true*, however the EU also garners you various protections in the case of difficulties (in particular, the duty of airlines to look after you in the case of cancellations and long delays) and excellent protection if you need healthcare. And this kind of important benefit are very much threatened by Brexit.
* - it is, of course, possible that it would become very difficult to travel to the EU if we get into some kind of knob-waving contest with the EU but I think it's extremely unlikely we'd end up without visa-free travel in the EU (and the reciprocal arrangement for EU citizens) post-Brexit if we go that route. It's just too much of a disadvantage to all concerned.
I want a fair system where we take in people from all over the world to satisfy our shortcomings without discrimination.
I want an initiative where we train up UK citizens to address the shortfalls in the long term. I also want a controlled system for short-term workers put in place.
Is that insane?
PS: Temporary workers. Are our kids really that lazy? I remember picking blackberries as a kid (teenager) for sod all.
I want an initiative where we train up UK citizens to address the shortfalls in the long term. I also want a controlled system for short-term workers put in place.
Is that insane?
PS: Temporary workers. Are our kids really that lazy? I remember picking blackberries as a kid (teenager) for sod all.
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Contrary to what we are being told about being a member of this huge economy called the EU giving us a better chance of negotiating trade deals, being a member actually makes it MUCH more difficult..
The trade deal with Canada has taken 7 years!!!! SEVEN YEARS and it's still not finished...
For the eu to strike a trade deal ALL 28 member states must agree... 28 states ranging from former world dominating hi tech nations like us/Germany etc.. all the way to almost 3rd world former eastern block states... When it comes to trade agreements, we all have totally different agendas/industries to protect/goals/aspirations.. to get agreement between such a massively diverse bunch of civilisations is nigh on impossible... 7 years is impressive... i'm amazed it didn't take 70!
Let me try to give you a daft example... let's say we are trying to get a trade deal to sell pizzas to China but the Chinese want to add their own tomatoes.. Italy won't agree to this deal as they feel it will harm their tomato growers and insist the Chinese use Italian tomatoes or they wont sign the deal... etc... etc... etc... It's an absolute bloody nightmare.
On our own, we can easily negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world as we only need to satisfy US!
With regards to trading with the rest of the EU post Brexit... as the 5th largest economy in the world and one of the biggest customers for EU goods... do you honestly think they will try to punish us for leaving!?!? they will be scrabbling round to give us the best deal possible... they can't afford to lose our custom.. vice versa.. do you think our customers in the EU will suddenly not want our product!? absolutely not.
With regards to immigration... we need immigrants... I don't really have an issue with the net migration figure.. what I do have an issue with is not being able to choose who those immigrants are. With non EU immigrants we ensure they are bringing needed skills with them, can support themselves, have employment and ultimately, won't be a burden on the state. With EU imigrants, we just waive them through... because we have to... they then have access to everything the UK has to offer.. free world class health care, massively higher wages in some cases, benefits, free housing!
We must be able to control who we allow in.. and this is only going to get much worse.
Soldato
We'll get that because any negotiation we do will be the first trade negotiation in history to start from a position of zero tariffs, and the first in history in which so many rules, terms and regulations are harmonised.
Deviation from this would hurt the EU and the UK, it is in neithers economic interest to have anything but a free trade deal.
UK growth is higher than in the EU, unemployment is lower, our currency is more stable, our debt more under control, and we have a trade deficit with the EU, meaning we buy more from them than we sell. This means that the UK has a major advantage in the negotiation.
We won't get it for "without cost" of course, its called a bilateral arrangement after all. We may choose to contribute to the EU budget for a number of years, reducing every year, to give the other states time to adjust. We may choose to accept a proportion of regulations. But we won't have to settle for an EEA agreement, and we won't have to have free movement of people in the same way we have now.
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