Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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Everyone who I talk to who wants to leave always ends up trying to Argue me down to leave without respecting my opinion, is this the same for everyone else?

Even when raising the pro's and con's of both sides.

reasons for me staying in,

- I don't want a recession that lasts any longer, I had big problems coming out of college and finding work due to this.

- I believe we're better off having a voice in EU discussions and negotiations, as put bluntly on the QT session, If we leave, it might give Scotland the option to leave the UK, considering the campaigning we did for them to stay, I think this is highly hypocritical now we're in the same boat.

- My future job prospects would be benefitted from the reduction in taxes placed on trading if we were to go it alone, The car industry being a major import/export business for the UK in general, it's better if we stay in.
 
More Iranian illegals arrested trying to get here in a boat today.
I bet there are literally hundreds a week crossing the channel alone getting into our undefended and totally open coastline. And of course if they claim asylum which they would normally do they are released onto the streets many never to be seen again.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Would you write and sign a cheque in pencil?

Or, bank rules aside, would you see it as an invitation to fraud, with someone with a
mind to altering the amounts or the payee?


But you are happy to sign your voting slip with a soft leaded pencil on a string, right?


Take an indelible pen with you.....


Bet many had never considered this, right? ;)
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It's quite hilarious that you not only think that the referendum could be rigged, but that the way it would be rigged would be by altering the mark on millions of ballot papers leaving a huge chain of evidence, rather than further along in the process.

John40 said:
More Iranian illegals arrested trying to get here in a boat today.
I bet there are literally hundreds a week crossing the channel alone getting into our undefended and totally open coastline.And of course if they claim asylum are then normally released many never to be seen again.
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And our status within the EU will affect this how exactly?
 
Sinny said:
Everyone who I talk to who wants to leave always ends up trying to Argue me down to leave without respecting my opinion, is this the same for everyone else?

Even when raising the pro's and con's of both sides.

reasons for me staying in,

- I don't want a recession that lasts any longer, I had big problems coming out of college and finding work due to this.

- I believe we're better off having a voice in EU discussions and negotiations, as put bluntly on the QT session, If we leave, it might give Scotland the option to leave the UK, considering the campaigning we did for them to stay, I think this is highly hypocritical now we're in the same boat.

- My future job prospects would be benefitted from the reduction in taxes placed on trading if we were to go it alone, The car industry being a major import/export business for the UK in general, it's better if we stay in.
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You will note that the same people dismiss the majority of "experts" as people with vested interests.

Like to focus on the fewer business owners which do support the leave campaign.

Are already lining up arguments that the entire thing is a fix.

Don't want people who will vote remain to vote at all.

Make insulting comments about people voting to remain, and make voting leave an issue of someone's sanity.

I challenge you to find any remain supporter resorting to any of these tactics within these threads. Remain supporters look at the balance of evidence, the balance of expert and business opinion. Want everyone to vote so that turnout is as high as possible.

Like I said previously in these threads, the most vocal leave supporters appear to be almost fanatical in pushing forward their opinion and attempting to belittle and evidence or opinions to the contrary.
 
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Wouldn't immigration issues be handled by the ECHR or our obligations under international treaties, none of which go away with a departure from the EU?
 
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Wouldn't immigration issues be handled by the ECHR or our obligations under international treaties, none of which go away with a departure from the EU?
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Nope - the ECJ sticks its oar in as well. Probably under the Charter of Fundamental Rights which Tony Blair told us wouldn't affect us - only for the ECJ to decide they did have power over us after all (funny that).
 
scorza said:
Nope - the ECJ sticks its oar in as well. Probably under the Charter of Fundamental Rights which Tony Blair told us wouldn't affect us - only for the ECJ to decide they did have power over us after all (funny that).
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Not an illegal immigrant.

Secondly, how is that ruling wrong? We don't deport all convicted criminals from this country. Why was she being made an example of other than out of spite?

The Guardian reported that she was jailed for attempting to smuggle a banned item, a mobile phone Sim card, during a prison visit.

While serving the sentence, she was told that she was liable for deportation from the UK.
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What leaps of logic are people making to assume immigration will be fixed by leaving the EU? Presumably when people say "we need to sort it out" that isn't shorthand for "I wish we could apply a fairer policy that doesn't discriminate against African and Asian people in favour of White Europeans" and instead means "there's too many of them".

Successive governments have failed to reduce non-EU migration to any sort of targeted amount, a number that they are in complete control over. Does anyone really believe that the borders are going to close to EU migration following Brexit? If "no but it's a place to start" is the sentiment, then why not start with non-EU migration? If the argument is "the EU just wants to support big business and keeps wages low with the free movement policies" then look at the current government and tell me it's going to be any different.

People want to come to the UK because we speak English, it's successful economically, crime isn't a massive problem, and we are a tolerant society. Removing those pull factors is shooting yourself in the foot.
 
Agreed, it seems like an illogical reason to me. Especially if someone plainly cites immigration as their only reason for voting leave. I think it's safe to assume they fall into the category of 'shouldn't have a vote' on what is a complex and contentious issue because they clearly haven't considered the full implications of their decision and haven't considered the bigger picture.
 
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What leaps of logic are people making to assume immigration will be fixed by leaving the EU?
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You're asking the wrong question. If we leave the EU it will be in our power to decide how to manage immigration. Whether and how we do that will be up to the government of the day, who will be subject to the votes and wishes of only the UK electorate.
 
Quartz said:
You're asking the wrong question. If we leave the EU it will be in our power to decide how to manage immigration. Whether and how we do that will be up to the government of the day, who will be subject to the votes and wishes of only the UK electorate.
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It's already in the power of our government to decide how to manage non-EU migration, though.

This isn't a vote to decide if we have a UKIP government, this is a vote to decide whether we are in the EU or not. How are people so sure that Brexit means less immigrants that they are happy for it to be the major issue they consider when voting?
 
Quartz said:
You're asking the wrong question. If we leave the EU it will be in our power to decide how to manage immigration. Whether and how we do that will be up to the government of the day, who will be subject to the votes and wishes of only the UK electorate.
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Which is fine until people point to illegal immigration and sidestep the issue that successive governments have been happy to have significant Non-EU migration and likely won't completely stop EU migration. EU migraton has actually better for the UK than Non-EU migration.

Is having the capability of reducing migration to low levels that important if it will never be done? Is that never to be used capability worth giving up all the benefits of the EU?
 
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Caged said:
What leaps of logic are people making to assume immigration will be fixed by leaving the EU?
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When we are in full control, the levels will be what is optimal for us. If we need NHS staff, we advertise and select the best. If we need engineers, we advertise and select the best. If some turn out to be undesirable, we eject them without interference.

Also it allows us to plan infrastructure and services so as not to lower the quality of life for everyone currently here, whether they were born here or immigrated.

I really don’t understand why this is so egregious to some. :confused:
 
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