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Nvidia GP102 Titan coming soon

wait....what

"even a bit better than the Geforce 1080, which was the most successful high end selling product in more than a decade"
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The card has been out for like 2 weeks, stock seems small and more successful than the 780ti and 980ti and even 970 at launch? This statement is just pure tosh surely.
 
TonyTurbo78 said:
wait....what



The card has been out for like 2 weeks, stock seems small and more successful than the 780ti and 980ti and even 970 at launch? This statement is just pure tosh surely.
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I thought the same. I see no figures to suggest this and for the main part around the forums there seems to be more people not willing to buy one as it's just not that much better than what they have.
 
TonyTurbo78 said:
wait....what



The card has been out for like 2 weeks, stock seems small and more successful than the 780ti and 980ti and even 970 at launch? This statement is just pure tosh surely.
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I think it's the way they've worded it with most successful high end, I don't know where they've got the numbers from though and I tend not to trust much fudzilla writes about.

Funny that they'll consider cards like the 1080 high end though and not the 970 considering the majority would class them both as mid range.
 
I bet the 1080 Ti will hit around summer next year, Goes in line with the previous "Ti" launch.

On a side note, Kaap you getting any 1080's to play around with or skipping them ?
 
Greebo said:
Titan was never going to be HMB2, you were living in cloud cockoo land if you thought otherwise.

It wont need anymore bandwidth than what the ggdr5x is giving it so why make it even more expensive by putting hbm2 on it?
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There is no card out there that can't work with GDDR3 or 4 either. The problem is to get the same bandwidth from GDDR4 you'd need to use another 50W, and to use ggdr3 would take another 50w, over and over again.

You can get nearly any level of bandwidth from any type of memory given enough power and bus width. The reason GP100 uses hbm2 is it's a 300W card, to achieve the same bandwidth/shader ratio with gddr5 or 5x would be requiring in the region of 375W. In reality they want it to be 300W so the same card with gddr5/x would instead be 20%+ slower with lower clocks to get the power down to 300W.

HBM1/2 doesn't enable completely unbelievable and new levels of bandwidth that are impossible with gddr5/x, it enables any level of bandwidth at dramatically lower power. 512GB/s through HBM uses about 30W, with gddr5 it takes 80W. 1080 with hbm instead would likely achieve in the region of 150W budget, they could have made the core maybe 360mm^2 with more shaders and 10-20% more performance in the same 180W power bracket.

Now with a lower/upper midrange products that isn't much of an issue. With that 300W GP100 it certainly is, with Fury X it certainly was. People completely incorrectly say HBM did nothing for Fury X, that card with gddr5 would have had to be 20% smaller at least and 20% slower without it. The bigger Vega will absolutely 100% certainly be able to be bigger and faster by using HBM2 because of the power savings rather than the bandwidth directly.

The exciting part about HBM tech was 100% always power saving making way for the power to be used elsewhere.
 
i get the feeling we'll see a Titan with HBM 2.0 and a Ti with GDDR5X.

If GP102 supports HBM then i think Ti will be like it is now, and TX will be a Ref board with the stack ram. or would be a Cut down GP100 if 102 cant support the stacked ram. Could be all the failed GP100 cores that dont quite cut the mustard but would still be extreme for gaming .
Like wise with GP102, if there is a GP100 version then yield quality wouldnt have to matter to much. and as its stated people will PAY £1k plus for the cards.

anyway my views .

seems samsung will have more market interest in stackable ram for phones etc which makes sense and profit
 
Anyone who buys a Titan is ** Removed general insult **. the Ti from the same family is a damn near the same performance and hundreds of pounds cheaper. Just goes to show how many mugs there really are out there.
 
People need to just say no to Titan and it's ridiculous prices and wait for the Ti
They just going to milk it again and kill it's within couple months. People keep paying this stupid amount on a GPU they will just keep making them.
 
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