Trust me, when they can't afford to feed their families, politics is going to be the last thing on their minds, they will take much more direct action.
Brexit thread - what happens next
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Trust me, when they can't afford to feed their families, politics is going to be the last thing on their minds, they will take much more direct action.
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The people it will hurt the most are hardworking people looking at mortgages and families.
Like Andrew marr has said it probably wont be as good as they hope or as bad as they fear. Probably.
This hysteria whilst to be expected is not helping
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That's the problem, I simply don't trust the EU and have no faith that they wouldn't have found a way to sneak it in through the back door.
Defence wasn't the only reason, just the main one. I do not wish for ever closer EU integration and I suspected that, regardless of what DC said, it would happen anyway and there's little we could do about that. I do believe that, given the right political leadership, the UK can thrive outside of the EU. There will always be some form of relationship with the EU though and it's foolish to think we could continue to operate without one.
I actually believe that the immigration and NHS arguments were in very poor taste and designed simply to divert the poor from the real issues. I didn't subscribe to them for the record.
How can you possible say the pound hasn't crashed. It was awful pre-referendum as a result of the up and coming referendum, and it's awful now - the worst it's been since 1985.
The fall on the ftse250 was 7%. That's the one that reflects British companies better and the ftse100 is skewed by the abundance of international corps backed by the dollar.
At present it's awful.
hysteria
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exaggerated or uncontrollable emotion or excitement.
This ain't exaggeration, this is reality son.
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Originally Posted by thenewoc View Post
The real issue now is getting the right conservative leader with good financial acumen and negotiating skills to get ahead with a positive direction on the right trade deals, priorities, not being too soft or over committing to make hasty poor long term deals.
The fact that the EU want us to leave ASAP should be used to our advantage to push for a good deal and get them to sign off on it.
The real issue now is getting the right conservative leader with good financial acumen and negotiating skills to get ahead with a positive direction on the right trade deals, priorities, not being too soft or over committing to make hasty poor long term deals.
The fact that the EU want us to leave ASAP should be used to our advantage to push for a good deal and get them to sign off on it.
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The SNP seem to be trapped in a bit of a paradox. Nicola Sturgeon is stamping her feet because Scotland voted to remain as part of the union and is now being forced out, so now she wants another referendum to take Scotland out of the other union that Scotland also voted to remain in.
So, the message is clear... don't be dragging Scotland out of a union if there has been a democratic vote in favour of staying, unless it's Nicola who's doing the dragging against the country's will, in which case it's perfectly OK to keep holding a referendum until the idiots vote the way she thinks they should.
Yea. You've got heaps of credibility here, Nicola.
So, the message is clear... don't be dragging Scotland out of a union if there has been a democratic vote in favour of staying, unless it's Nicola who's doing the dragging against the country's will, in which case it's perfectly OK to keep holding a referendum until the idiots vote the way she thinks they should.
Yea. You've got heaps of credibility here, Nicola.
Personally the only way I see this going will for the UK is if we do some major damage the EU on our way out. Making the EU a less attractive prospect than the UK.
The other option is we take the Japanese model of British business sticking closely together and the country producing top quality products. This would probably require a big change in British culture to achieve.
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Closer EU integration is definitely not right for our country. We need to position ourselves so that things both the EU and UK mutually benefit from are maintained. The rest can be dissolved and both the UK and EU move on in the best win-win situation.
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Keep shaking that stick gramps
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Indeed
Well the £350m for the NHS lie was outed about an hour after the result.
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We are both going to have to agree to disagree.
Same old circular arguments. We will see the same posters moaning in a few years time about irrelevant drivel and ignoring and and all positives.
We can now trade and create our own deals without an unelected elite having to give it the nod. That's the best start we could have ever hoped for.
Another thread in which I will be abstaining from replying to now. Not worth my time.
Were you able to post how many times the emergency immigration hand brake was applied by the way? The other thread got somewhat unwieldy so I might have missed the evidence you provided.
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Can your share where you got that from? As far as I've read the rates are coming down to 0.25%
I remember when it was 16%. Think yourself lucky.
Indeed, why debate facts that you don't agree with?
I don't disagree with you for a second
; I would hazard an awful lot.I just find it sad that people would vote based on one single lie; either for leave or remain.
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