The next Labour leader thread

[Destination]

Makes sense to me

Labour urged their supporters to remain and 63% did.

Cameron urged his supporters to remain and only 37% did.

How is that a failure of the labour leadership?

No, you misunderstand my point in reference to the polling.
This is about economic background, mixed with party voting, the only was it would appear accurate is if a great many, many labour voters now declare themselves on that poll as UKIP.
Physically the numbers do not add up to the north of England results that we physically saw counted.

 

[Freddie1980]

Makes sense to me

Labour urged their supporters to remain and 63% did.

Cameron urged his supporters to remain and only 37% did.

How is that a failure of the labour leadership?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

Look at the map. Labours base is north east, north west, most of those areas voted leave. Tyneside, Middlesbrough, Blackpool, Wyre, Preston, Sunderland, Halton, Wigan, Warrington all of these areas vote overwhelming Labour at elections voted to leave. How is that not a failure of Labour leadership.

He also has a foreign-sounding name, so that's a non-starter. If he took the leadership on Monday he'd be lynched in the street by Friday.

I was going nonsense but then I remembered Jo Cox (R.I.P). His problem is his lack of courage and fortitude, he was erly front runner last year then realised Corbyn would be a tough nut to crack nd came out with rubbish about the press looking at his grandmothers or mothers background as reasons why he was pulling out. He also represents the class of politician I thought Labour was keen to move away from? From what I've read and heard it sounds like the 3 quid supports and members aren't ready to go back to there just yet.

 

[Destination]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

Look at the map. Labours base is north east, north west, most of those areas voted leave. Tyneside, Middlesbrough, Blackpool, Wyre, Preston, Sunderland, Halton, Wigan, Warrington all of these areas vote overwhelming Labour at elections voted to leave. How is that not a failure of Labour leadership.

Yes that poll suggests a different take on it. I do not understand the poll as far as labour voters go.
The sample must be wrong, or simply not large enough to represent the Northern cities and regions.

 

[Zethor]

Yes that poll suggests a different take on it. I do not understand the poll as far as labour voters go.
The sample must be wrong, or simply not large enough to represent the Northern cities and regions.

The sample isn't wrong, the electorate map has shifted. Labour lost support in the North and gained support in/around London.

I'm disappointed in Corbyn, there was no passion in his interventions during the campaign, he just showed up a few times "Yea I'm pro-eu because worker rights and environmentalism" and that was it. Not good enough, not by a long shot, particularly for this referendum as it had a significant dose of emotions involved.

 

[VincentHanna]

The sample isn't wrong, the electorate map has shifted. Labour lost support in the North and gained support in/around London.

I'm disappointed in Corbyn, there was no passion in his interventions during the campaign, he just showed up a few times "Yea I'm pro-eu because worker rights and environmentalism" and that was it. Not good enough, not by a long shot, particularly for these referendum which had a significant dose of emotions involved.

Maybe because he wasn't particularly pro EU in the first place but could see on balance it was better to stay.

 

[Zethor]

Maybe because he wasn't particularly pro EU in the first place but could see on balance it was better to stay.

That was acceptable when he was just another Labour MP but he is the leader now, his job to lead, inspire, push forward.

 

[Azza]

Benn on Marr now.

 

[Freddie1980]

Benn on Marr now.

Just remember Brutus never got to be emperor.

 

[Azza]

Does anyone know if McDonnell is going to run for Labour leadership?

 

[ColdAsIce]

Labour are such a weak party at the moment. The Tories have free reign while Labour go from disaster to disaster. Corbyns's campaign to stay in the EU was pretty pathetic. Wouldn't be surprised if he voted leave himself. So many traditional Labour areas in the North of England and Wales voted leave, he has to take some of the flak for that.

 

[PermaBanned]

I think the disappointment for Labour was the loss of support to ukip which they hoped to reconnect with and didn't. I think that may be where it is seen that Corbyn failed.

And yet Corbyn is the one looking to respect the result of the referendum, the PLP are just throwing a hissy fit over the result and looking to elect a more europhile leader. Which would just lose them even more votes from both sides on the campaign at this point.

 

[Destination]

Exactly labour in knee jerk idiotic jump around in circles terror.
Run you fools!

Or better, wait, allow the conservatives to ruin everything, then win in 2020.

 

[McPhee]

Tim Farron's decision to campaign for remaining in the EU at the next election is a beautiful trap set for Labour. I'm looking forward to seeing how that pans out. If they follow suit, they'll lose masses of support to UKIP. If they respect the referendum result, they'll lose support in London, Manchester and other metropolitan areas that backed Remain.

With the SNP likely to follow the Lib Dems, and Labour unlikely to win a majority, it would seem likely that Labour's only route to victory in an snap election is through backing remaining in, moving to the right of centre and trying to catch disaffected Europhile Tories. But I suspect they'll lose some constituencies for good if they do that.

It would have been better for Labour (and to a lesser extent, the Tories) if campaigning to stay in had never been highlighted as a possibility.

 

[Sankari]

Does anyone know if McDonnell is going to run for Labour leadership?

He might as well. Even the Queen's corgis look more qualified than most of the current contenders.

It's fascinating to watch the two major parties melt down in a puddle of shock and bewilderment. Even funnier is the puzzled response of UKIP: they're like the dog that finally catches a car and has no idea what to do with it.

 

[Dolph]

And yet Corbyn is the one looking to respect the result of the referendum, the PLP are just throwing a hissy fit over the result and looking to elect a more europhile leader. Which would just lose them even more votes from both sides on the campaign at this point.

The PLP are worried about an early general election and bring out of a job.

I guess it all depends on the dichotomy of an ideologically pure labour party or one likely to be in a position to form a government and have influence.

 

[Rosbif]

Labour are such a weak party at the moment. The Tories have free reign while Labour go from disaster to disaster. Corbyns's campaign to stay in the EU was pretty pathetic. Wouldn't be surprised if he voted leave himself. So many traditional Labour areas in the North of England and Wales voted leave, he has to take some of the flak for that.

Surely its Labours fault full stop that they cannot understand or represent vast swathes of people they supposedly represent? How can this be the fault of 1 single person?

 

[Mr Jack]

It's incredibly stupid to have a leadership coup over this. All they're doing is embedding the narrative that Brexit is Labour's fault. We should be hammering the Tories over this right now, and the first thing out of every Labour MPs mouth should be "Where's George?". It's incredible that our chancellor still hasn't made any statement regarding Brexit.

But, no, instead we can have a stupid, bitter leadership contest which will massively alienate our newly expanded membership. What a terrific idea.

 

[ColdAsIce]

Surely its Labours fault full stop that they cannot understand or represent vast swathes of people they supposedly represent? How can this be the fault of 1 single person?

I said he has to take some of the flak and I expect a leader to well, actually lead!

 

[Azza]

Gloria De Piero is gone.


Tom Watson is on his way back from Glasto. Couldn't make it up.

 

[Dolph]

It's incredibly stupid to have a leadership coup over this. All they're doing is embedding the narrative that Brexit is Labour's fault. We should be hammering the Tories over this right now, and the first thing out of every Labour MPs mouth should be "Where's George?". It's incredible that our chancellor still hasn't made any statement regarding Brexit.

But, no, instead we can have a stupid, bitter leadership contest which will massively alienate our newly expanded membership. What a terrific idea.

Is that the fault of the MPs for nother having confidence in corbyn or corbyn for not acknowledging it?

This is the problem with the ridiculous thresholds in place in labour for triggering a leadership challenge,