Brexit thread - what happens next

Caged · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:52

Phonesis said:
They didn't blindly let us vote for economic suicide.

That implies they let us vote for something - but Leave have already said they didn't have a plan and think it should have been the governments job.

Fiocca · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:52

Phonesis said:
Just no. As much as you don't like the decision it IS the majority view in the UK. I voted leave too. The UK can survive and prosper outside of the EU. All this fear will blow over. It'll just take a strong new government to see things through. If the government backtracks, I can see mass uproar in this Country. It'll make a mockery of the whole system. They didn't blindly let us vote for economic suicide. It's a change in direction and one that flies in the face of the centralisation of power.

The system is already a mess so wouldn't make any difference.

I don't know, the whole thing is just mental all round.

Skunkworks · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:52

Claims of an explosion in racism, on social media, from the demographic that revels in victimhood and are currently a bit disgruntled? Ok.

TwsT · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:52

I think the most apt way of putting it in regards to some of the recent events.

Not all brexiters are racist, but all racists now think 52% of the country agrees with them.

Freakbro · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:52

estebanrey said:
It's been happening since to dawn of time my friend. Guess what, thousands of incidents of racism occur every day, this is no case of zero racism prior to Friday and now suddenly 10% of the country have turned into Nazis overnight.

The main difference is its getting media coverage creating the illusion of it being something new or somehow on an alarming rise.

No, it actually is on the rise because thouse with such racist views who kept quiet before just now feel vindicated and able to express them openly

platypus · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:53

Chris Wilson said:
I think you should consider emigrating to an EU state if that's how you feel, it isn't going to happen, the UK isn't some banana state.

The insinuation being that being in the EU makes you a banana state. Why so?

wildman · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:53

Mr Jack said:
Yet. The UK will be in recession by the time we get a new Tory leader. Whoever replaces George will have very hard decisions to make about how to make up for the hole in the budget that Brexit has created.

George knows he won't be there which is why he will likely be rinsing his hands of it right about now. It looks like a massive I told you so excercise waiting to happen, where the country will go to hell in a handbasket and Cameron and Osborne will be saying "we told you so" from the back benches, by then people will suddenly realise that they weren't actually doing a bad job compared to the right wing nutters that will be heading the Tory government come the end of the year.

Kenai · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:53

estebanrey said:
Whereas projecting a personal experience across the rest of society is perfectly rational?

So what's your solution then? The democratic will of the people should be ignored because some numpty shouted something a your missus in the street?

It's hardly just one experience though, like I say willful ignorance of a growing problem.

What needs to happen is for these people to be shouted down and people on both sides show solidarity with the people suffering this abuse, rather than making excuses about isolation and media before looking the other way.

I know it's not a pleasant thought to accept this is happening off the back of the leave result but unfortunately it is and it needs dealing with, not ignoring.

Caged · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:53

Acme said:
Personally I think he is a stupid and power hungry clown with a harmless clown like image.

Power hungry, yes. But the clown part is an act that plays well with people. I think he's intelligent which is why he's currently furiously backpedalling on huge swathes of Leave claims.

platypus · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:53

TwsT said:
Not all brexiters are racist, but all racists now think 52% of the country agrees with them.

In a nutshell.

wildman · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:54

TwsT said:
I think the most apt way of putting it in regards to some of the recent events.

Not all brexiters are racist, but all racists now think 52% of the country agrees with them.

and that's dangerous enough. it gives those racists validation, which I don't see people rushing to shut down.

VincentHanna · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:54

I personally don't agree with anyone who says the old people aren't entitled to vote as the younger people.

However, as a young(ish) person (34) I do feel that the older generation have made my future far more uncertain.

My parents voted leave. They have a nice house with no mortgage and decent pensions. The impact on them will not be the same as the impact on me.

Nobody answered before, but regarding the lack of young people turning out to vote - How engaged were in politics and voting before you were 25?

pioneer2000 · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:54

Can any remainers just get on with it.

You lost, the majority wants to leave, get over it!

Absolutely pathetic behaviour, acting like big whiney cry babies, especially with the accusations of racism being thrown about.

Fiocca · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:54

Originally Posted by TwsT View Post
Not all brexiters are racist, but all racists now think 52% of the country agrees with them.

Nail. Head.

Freefaller · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:54

dowie said:
perhaps ask the poster that posted that phrase?

sounds like a trump esq statement and not particularly meaningful

if people are referring to 'sovereignty' they're mostly talking about the UK being able to unilaterally enter trade deals and potentially regaining some control over EU immigration etc.. not being subject to EU rules in the same way nor completely reliant on the EU to negotiate on our behalf

Ah okay that sort of makes sense I guess - it just seemed a bit ambiguous to me as it could me all sorts of things.

Psi Jay said:
My personal understanding is this means taking it back from under the control of Brussels or the EU in general.

I was under the impression we still controlled the UK but were influenced by the EU for some things like environmental policy and so on?

But I guess this means that we are now accountable only to ourselves?

Chris Wilson said:
To ask the question means the answer would be one you would also claim to not understand.

You're right... I don't understand your answer.

Bonjour · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:54

platypus said:
Where do you forsee such a government coming from?

China

Jono · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:56

grudas said:
haha... riding bikes, holding hands

Yes... hands, if you prefer

Caged · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:56

wildman said:
George knows he won't be there which is why he will likely be rinsing his hands of it right about now. It looks like a massive I told you so excercise waiting to happen, where the country will go to hell in a handbasket and Cameron and Osborne will be saying "we told you so" from the back benches, by then people will suddenly realise that they weren't actually doing a bad job compared to the right wing nutters that will be heading the Tory government come the end of the year.

I never thought Cameron could come out of this looking good but resigning on the 24th without invoking Article 50 was a masterstroke.

MikeTheNative · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:56

TwsT said:
I think the most apt way of putting it in regards to some of the recent events.

Not all brexiters are racist, but all racists now think 52% of the country agrees with them.

I agree with this. In regards to Boris, I actually don't mind him. I don't think he is an buffoon at all. Just the personality he portrays in public, whether that has helped or hindered him, I have no idea.

Warbie · 27 Jun 2016 at 11:56

So why did the referendum happen in the first place? From what I can see the vast majority of people in the UK were ill equipped to make a decision either way. I'm counting myself in this and actually spent over a week boning up on the eu before voting. And I still feel in the dark about much of this.