Brexit thread - what happens next

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Confidence based in what though? Seeing as there is no plan and Leave have claimed it was the government's job.

You say confidence but I see hubris.

Osborne came out today and said they were fully prepared for what has happened, if Cameron doesn't have a solid timeline of events planned out then that's not Leave's fault, it's his as Prime Minister.
 
Only the far right want referendums. The rest will pull together to save the structure because as is being shown the opposite will be the biggest collapse in history making 1929 or 2008 look like an off day.

It has been going on for forty years and more want to join so it does not seem like it is not working.


Only the far right want referendums? :confused: :confused:

Oh so because it has been around for 40 years and Turkey, Croatia, Serbia and Kosovo wants to join it's all going well? Why do you think those countries would like to join?

Think the vast majority in Southern Europe would disagree that the EU is going well. A long with majority of the UK (who could be bothered to vote).
 
Just because they are there, doesn't mean they are the best ones to do the jobs. Besides, doesn't mean they will want to anyway. Examples below (and that's only low skill work who any physically-able local could do):
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/13/farmers-fear-eu-referendum
http://www.herefordtimes.com/news/1...rm_work_unemployed_and__lazy__brits_won_t_do/
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/342745b4-6309-11e2-8497-00144feab49a.html#axzz4CmmYUChJ

What companies are going to want to employ staff based on only what's available locally, as opposed to wanting the best, regardless of where they're from. As manager, I know I wouldn't; I would want the best I can get.

You'll be able to get the best staff now internationally, not just from within Europe. We'll be able to let in more people from the rest of the world.
 
Why do you want this? I don't understand how being absorbed into an empire when we hold a strong position on our own is attractive.

Although his idealistic view is admirable, it is unrealistic. Your view of a strong position outside of EU on the world stage is simply delusional.
 
Osborne came out today and said they were fully prepared for what has happened, if Cameron doesn't have a solid timeline of events planned out then that's not Leave's fault, it's his as Prime Minister.

But blaming the Government isn't a plan for getting out of this mess either. It doesn't matter who's fault it was right now - the point was that there is nothing to be optimistic about because nobody has put forward any idea of what is happening next.
 
Just a question to remainers mostly because I'm interested in their motivations.

Did you vote remain because you are happy with the way things are right now, or are you happy with the future course of more EU policy, integration leading to the EU superstate?

What is your ideal vision of Europe?

Yes, I was happy with the way things are here. I was also happy with most of the EU policy making (not all, but then I'm not in favour of all of the UK government policymaking either - no one could ever be) and would be in favour of further integration.

My outlook (as someone who runs their own business employing 25 people and generating a reasonable amount of VAT, NI, corporation and personal tax) is that we flourish more when we are a group of countries working to a common interest. It IS our responsibility to help countries poorer than ourselves to try and spread wealth more evenly - it's the right thing to do.

People keep saying we have such a strong economy and Europe needs us...well yes that is true, but we built that economy as part of the EU so it hasn't harmed us has it?

Now personally a recession won't really affect me. We started this business in 2008, right in the middle of the last one. We're in a sector (digital marketing and advertising) that clients if anything need to spend more on to get through a recession. So we'll probably make more money, but feel desperately sad about it.
 
It's not all bad news though

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So, looking at the comments from Boris it's clear he's bottled it.

Talking about a "narrow majority" like he's backtracking - in a referendum like this, the size of the majority doesn't matter.

It's also highly unlikely we'll get any sort of new EU deal without accepting the free movement of people, we can try and make it ugly, but will ultimately end up worse off.

My initial thoughts are that this whole EU referendum was a farce and I can see parliament conspiring to ignore it, and keep us in. The only problem there is the EU will try and shaft us for wanting to leave in the first place.

Hm.

So the people who said that Boris was only fronting the Leave campaign for publicity reasons to get him into no. 10 look to be right after all.

Boris and co need to come out and say something a bit more detailed than they are at the moment, they aren't helping matters...
 
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Again it hasn't been lowered. Project FEAR.

There is a reason for that - infact some foreign entities are lining up to make sure we have good access to credit heh - it works in their favour in the long run either way - either we bounce back or they can gut the country of what wealth it does have.
 
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