Poll: Given the choice of another Brexit vote, would you change your mind?

[ps3ud0]

Nope no value unless the original poll had the option to vote for abstain. Having the option just gives no additional value that couldnt just be as adequately described by just deducting all that voted from the total number of people that could vote.

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[Cern]

it is a valid point - some people actively chose not to vote because they were undecided - it would be interesting to see how many of them would chose to vote if offered a second choice, and what that choice would be + how many would chose to abstain a second time

at the moment this ocuk poll doesn't give that figure but a real poll does - that is a slight flaw and a valid one to highlight

(not that this poll isn't also flawed for other reasons though...)

Agreed. In a forum poll we can't know what the 'turnout' is. So "I abstained before and I will abstain again" is a valid choice as it helps a bit with establishing the overall picture.

I would hazard a guess that in a second real referendum the turnout would be even higher, with those that didn't vote before for whatever reason likely being more motivated to take part.

In some cases there was likely complacency thinking their area was already heavily Leave or Remain (and perhaps not realising that it's not decided like a General Election and every vote counts). I would hazard a guess that Remain was more complacent than Leave.

In other cases people felt like they lacked the information they needed to make a judgement (not surprising given the terrible campaigns both sides presented). Hopefully this would be improved the second time around.

 

[Tefal]

Personally older people fought for freedom and democracy so I think they should get 2 votes....

..

When did they?


The only ww2 vets around now will be 89+

So hardly any.

The older generation now is basicaly the baby boomers who have generaly ****ed the country over time and time again and thier huge pressure on the welfare system makes up the majority of the bill.

 

[Gixer]

If the correct question had been asked (Remain, all in, including Euro or Leave), we would be having very a different conversation in my opinion.

The plan always appeared to be heading USA style anyway, United States of Europe with central government not in London.

As a country, we have never embraced that scenario (Not London and no Pound ) and it would appear we never will.

In the long term that is what I think the result of voting in would have had. That is why I decided it would be better to pull the cutaway cord prior to being forced to integrate even further into a system that myself I do not believe will work for a considerable amount of time and is likely to evolve into something that we wouldn't want to be part of.

 

[Cosimo]

As the waters are very muddy a little Brexit Q&A (Times):

Why is the free movement of EU citizens tied to access to its single market?

The EU regards its “four freedoms” — movement of people, goods, capital and services — as cornerstones of the single market and has not let any country access the market unless it accepts them.

What did Boris Johnson claim that was wrong?

He wrote that the BDI, the German equivalent of the CBI “has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade and access to the single market”. The BDI claimed that it said no such thing, nor was it in a position to do so as it is not a body which sets EU policy. Mr Johnson also wrote that “British people will still be able to go and work in the EU” implying free movement would continue in one direction while Britain introduced an Australian-style points system for people wanting to come in. However, the EU would retaliate by refusing the UK access to the single market.

How can Britain keep full access to the single market?

The only non-EU countries with access to the single market for goods and services are Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein in the European Economic Area. They all accept free movement of people and make a payment to the EU in exchange for access.

Couldn’t the EU change its rules to keep Britain in the single market while allowing the UK to limit EU immigrants?

The EU refused to allow David Cameron to restrict EU immigrants as part of his talks on Britain’s membership. It has given no sign of re-writing its rules.

Does anybody have a more coherent plan for Britain’s relationship with the EU?

It depends what you mean by coherent. Michael Gove said that Britain should leave the single market. He was not clear what should replace it but mentioned Albania’s deal with the EU. Albania has free trade for industrial goods but not agricultural products and no single market access for financial services.

What about Switzerland?

Switzerland is not in the single market. It has a free trade deal for goods and access for some services but not full access for financial services. It accepted free movement of EU citizens but voted in a referendum in 2014 to restrict it in response to high numbers. It has not yet done so because of EU threats.

Canada has a free trade deal and does not have to accept the free movement of EU citizens, doesn’t it?

Canadians need a visa to work in the EU and vice-versa, although they can come on holiday without a visa. The Canada trade deal will allow free trade in almost all goods apart from some farm products and in many services but not financial services. A similar outcome for the UK would result in some business leaving the City. The Canadian deal took five years to negotiate and the two-year ratification process is still dragging on.

I hope that when the negotiations are finally done the proposals are set very clearly before the electorate and that they have the final say on whether to proceed.

 

[Admiral Huddy]

The only reason Germany is doing well is the weak Euro because of the counter balance of the poorer nations, the poor the nations get the bigger the surplus for Germany.

The German economy is strong mainly for two reasons:

1. They believe very much in connectivity. If you don't know what that means then why are you posting here.

2. Strong Manufacturing output.

3. Mass export of expensive luxury items that people want.. In the UK, we have a love for German cars etc..

 

[Kronos]

 

[mid_gen]

yes really... there are over a thousand votes cast now

either people are telling porkies or a whole bunch of remain voters have decided not to vote in this poll

there were several other polls re: brexit on here all of which showed a lead for leave...

It's really quite interesting the way the polls have changed. Where have the leavers gone?

They doing a Boris and hiding under a rock somewhere?

 

[Liefrich]

75% of 18-25yrs voted to remain. 36% voted...

You hear all the moaning but they had their chance and that is what they think of the country. Personally older people fought for freedom and democracy so I think they should get 2 votes....

"Think of the kids" mostly spoken by people whose children/chavs are destroying ethics in this country...

Older people fought for freedom and democracy? This is one biggest myths pandered by those who voted leave. There are very few veterans from WW2 alive today and even fewer who actually fought the Axis. Most people who voted out were from the baby boomer generation who benefited from all the positives - increased living standards, better health care, cheap housing and fully loaded pensions. They have suffered very few negatives. It is the younger generation who will now have fewer opportunities and who now have to fund the costs of supporting an ageing population who feel an entitlement to expensive pensions and top class NHS treatment.

But don’t worry we have our “country” back…..

 

[Errol]

The vote is over. Remain lost. Now we need to move on and arrange as good as possible a deal for Britain.

Although (lol) ...

 

[UTmaniac]

It's really quite interesting the way the polls have changed. Where have the leavers gone?

They doing a Boris and hiding under a rock somewhere?

I suspect that some forum members were telling porkies in early polls suggesting a win for Brexit, just like polls suggested a win for Kinnock's Labour in 1992 and their premature celebration, before Major won.

 

[Stretch]

It's really quite interesting the way the polls have changed. Where have the leavers gone?

They doing a Boris and hiding under a rock somewhere?

It's bizarre to say the least. All the polls on here (over many months) showed a clear majority for leave, right-up until after the vote. The two polls since have shown the opposite, and this latest one by a long way.

 

[panyan]

You hear all the moaning but they had their chance and that is what they think of the country. Personally older people fought for freedom and democracy so I think they should get 2 votes....

Older people fought for freedom and democracy? This is one biggest myths pandered by those who voted leave. There are very few veterans from WW2 alive today and even fewer who actually fought the Axis. Most people who voted out were from the baby boomer generation who benefited from all the positives - increased living standards, better health care, cheap housing and fully loaded pensions. They have suffered very few negatives. It is the younger generation who will now have fewer opportunities and who now have to fund the costs of supporting an ageing population who feel an entitlement to expensive pensions and top class NHS treatment.

But don’t worry we have our “country” back…..

+1

 

[jas72]

I think this poll and the exit poll was the result i was expecting from OCUK members.

I was really surprised at the previous polls to be honest.

 

[Neil79]

It's really quite interesting the way the polls have changed. Where have the leavers gone?

They doing a Boris and hiding under a rock somewhere?

Still here and still happy to vote leave

I trust OCUK forum decisions as much as the BBC polls

 

[checjb]

Still here and still happy to vote leave

I trust OCUK forum decisions as much as the BBC polls

Me too.

To be honest, most of the Leavers that I have spoken to have accepted the outcome of the vote and have left it at that. It's the Remain camp that are burning up with fury on Facebook, the BBC, etc. I have also yet to meet a single person who voted OUT that would change their vote. Well, at least that has told me so.

 

[VincentHanna]

Me too.

To be honest, most of the Leavers that I have spoken to have accepted the outcome of the vote and have left it at that. It's the Remain camp that are burning up with fury on Facebook, the BBC, etc. I have also yet to meet a single person who voted OUT that would change their vote. Well, at least that has told me so.

You mean the 51.8% who got what they wanted are happy and the 48.2% who didn't, aren't?

Who would have thought......

 

[checjb]

LOL. Very true.

 

[George Hincapie]

Just checked the poll results. Either people were lying before, or they are lying now, but some of you are telling big fat porkies.

How very sad...

 

[redline]

It's the Remain camp that are burning up with fury on Facebook, the BBC, etc.

I know its crazy!... it was just a competition, like X-Factor or Britain's Got Talent right?

Nothing serious to get worked-up or concerned about