Brexit thread - what happens next

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Will leave voters really be happy about being in the EFTA? Seems like a total backwards step and doesnt offer half of what the leave campaign were offering.

No we won't, but we have patience, (probably because we are old and thick), and we take one step at a time. Maybe we will achieve a full and total divorce from the EU and the EFTA before the EU falls apart, maybe not, in either case our goal will be fulfilled ;) Probably even odds on which occurs first. Interesting times.
 
Seems like hot air to me. It'll be interesting to see how they go about accepting Scotland without fueling calls for independence among other regions, but I can't accept that they'd be refused membership. Scotland, Catalonia, Flanders. These are desirable parts of Europe, politically, legally and economically very compatible with the EU. Frankly, it would be a boon to the EU to have these potential nations as part of the union. It would be utterly insane to set a precedent that says such nations cannot join.

It's a delicate matter. The EU won't want to fuel instability in member states, but at the same time would want an independent Scotland to (re?)join. Where there's a will, there's a way?

I dont believe the veto is for Scotland joining the EU in general, just they dont want them getting automatic fast tracked membership if they leave the UK (which seems to be what Nicola Sturgeon wants). I imagine France & Spain would have no problem if Scotland followed the normal joining process, which takes several years and involves adopting the Euro.
 
It's alarming that most if not all responses so far have been "Welp, I might not get shafted too badly". How on earth is that a positive outcome?

This has no effect on me but does affect friends and family. I hope it doesn't get as bad for them as I fear it might.
 
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It's alarming that most if not all responses so far have been "Welp, I might not get shafted too badly". How on earth is that a positive outcome?

This has no effect on me but does affect friends and family. I hope it doesn't get as bad for them as I fear it might.

Are you not worried about where you are currently - I mean NZ isn't an EU member - must be horrible being outside the EU right?
 
Short term pain long term gain.

I don't mind eating beans for a bit if theres steak every night in the future.

Some of you are so short sighted. You need to get a spine.

Can you not understand for the better of future generations you sometimes have to risk and fight a little.
 
Are you not worried about where you are currently - I mean NZ isn't an EU member - must be horrible being outside the EU right?

If we had been an EU member and then chose not to be one and split the country resulting in a plummeting dollar and worries over GDP then yes, I'd be worried. But we're not in that situation and you are.

That's a pretty poor strawman for someone of your strawman-making capabilities.
 
Short term pain long term gain.

I don't mind eating beans for a bit if theres steak every night in the future.

Some of you are so short sighted. You need to get a spine.

Can you not understand for the better of future generations you sometimes have to risk and fight a little.

Are we certain there's long term gain? Surely long term is even harder to speculate than short term?
 
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If we had been an EU member and then chose not to be one and split the country resulting in a plummeting dollar and worries over GDP then yes, I'd be worried. But we're not in that situation and you are.

That's a pretty poor strawman for someone of your strawman-making capabilities.

Hardly a straw man... so your worries are over short term issues/market reaction?

bottom line is you're in a country that is smaller than us and not an EU member yet you're worried about us no longer being an EU member, pretty odd
 
Hardly a straw man... so your worries are over short term issues/market reaction?

bottom line is you're in a country that is smaller than us and not an EU member yet you're worried about us no longer being an EU member, pretty odd

Please engage your brain... And also please actually read what he said...

NZ doesn't have that problem because it wasn't in the EU in the first place... If it were in the EU and then left, they would be in the same trouble the UK is in.
 
Short term pain long term gain.

I don't mind eating beans for a bit if theres steak every night in the future.

Some of you are so short sighted. You need to get a spine.

Can you not understand for the better of future generations you sometimes have to risk and fight a little.

Advisory and non binding referendum.

Also there's or there is.

I'm thinking of the long term future and it's not outside the EU. You need to use that thing between your ears.

You don't seem to understand anything imo

In other news while Farage was making his contempt know to the EU, a MEP was face palming in the background has written as to why.

Oh he was a surgeon in Lithuania but that didn't stop one of the boys Farage mocking everyone in sight.

What an utter ******.
 
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Are you not worried about where you are currently - I mean NZ isn't an EU member - must be horrible being outside the EU right?

He's in a country with an economy that isn't tied into a neighbour they've just stuck two fingers up at, and which already has trading relationships built up with countries with treaties and deals struck over decades.

We've just thrown out the deals we've got with our nearest trading partners and are looking at potentially having to remake them from scratch, from a position of telling them "we don't like you" (and some of our elected representatives have taken great delight in that).


Short term pain long term gain.

I don't mind eating beans for a bit if theres steak every night in the future.

Some of you are so short sighted. You need to get a spine.

Can you not understand for the better of future generations you sometimes have to risk and fight a little.


And for those currently "eating beans"?
There are a lot of people who are already struggling and anything that makes the basics of life less affordable are going to be hit very hard.


Remain voters have spines, but we also seem to be a fair bit more aware of the realistic situation that could well last for 5-10+ years.

If the pound loses value amongst the other things that could happen:
Food prices go up (we import a lot of food, and food production/distribution is very energy intensive).
Fuel prices go up (we don't have much in the way of native industry to supply our needs).
Energy prices go up.
Those three alone will hit the poorest in the country the hardest, you can do without the latest tech toy, but when the cost of your food and transport to work go up it's more difficult.

The cost of virtually every consumer device goes up - we don't make that many in the UK because it's far cheaper to make them in countries where the daily wage might be a third or less of ours - even things as basic as DVD's and BD's are likely to go up as an example, both because of a weaker pound and because we don't have many fabrication plants inside the UK so would potentially be paying duty on them (we don't for example have a single BD replication facility).
Even things we do make in the UK may require payments to foreign companies for the rights to reproduce entertainment products, or for patent and design fees.

I'm trying to look on the bright side of things, but a leave result has left us without any realistic idea of what is going to happen, except that we're going to be starting almost from scratch with negotiating deals with our biggest and nearest trading partners.

At the moment about the only really solid information we have is that the Leave campaign are now busy denying they meant what they were saying.
 
Sure we will manage, whatever happens. But I would much prefer to manage with more money in the bank, cheaper stuff, more comfortable, more holidays and basically what we all want.

But now we have to watch our spending more closely, could mean anything from less alcohol or less entertainment to less holidays or skipping the latest tech.

At the end of the day I prefer NOT having to do that. Now I have to because of something we did. We can't blame the bankers this time, we can't blame those greedy traders, we can't blame Wall Street. This was something we did.

What do I gain in return? proud that "we have our country back" ? I really don't know what that means, when I go abroad and tell people where I am from, nobody thinks....Oh, the UK, yeah, that tiny island that is under the thumb of the EU with migrants queuing at the tunnel...that is not what they are thinking. They think UK, castles, Beatles and the Queen.

Now they will probably probably think..."Oh, the UK, crazy brits". I've been watching various talk shows in other countries on YouTube, we are the butt of their jokes this weak and they think we are crazy for leaving.
 
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Please engage your brain... And also please actually read what he said...

NZ doesn't have that problem because it wasn't in the EU in the first place... If it were in the EU and then left, they would be in the same trouble the UK is in.

:confused: I'm well aware of what he said maybe you missed the bit about short term issues? I think everyone has acknowledged that the process of leaving is potentially a bit chaotic but once out... meh. Again that poster is in a country that isn't in the EU - as far as the long term is concerned, why would someone not living in an EU country think that not being part of the EU is a big issue?
 
My biggest shock is we haven't seen any 'murica style memes yet.
I do enjoy the 6 o bong meme :D

>go to England on vacation with some friends
>we have to meet at the hotel at 9pm
>it starts to get dark out
>got to check my watch
>I forgot it
>decide to go ask someone
>find someone to ask
>ARE YOU WIMBLY FOURS MATE!? IM CRIMBO NINAN SIX APPLE SMIBBLY DIN BIBBLY CHAP
>have no idea what he just said, ask him to repeat
>YOU WOT M8?
>he starts to laugh maniacally
>Big Ben rings out
>everyone stops in the freaking street
>a carriage with the initials HRH rides down the street
>the ******* queen herself sticks her head out
>OI YOU GITS DID YE HEAR THAT!? IT BE 6 BONG
>driver pokes his head out
>6 BONGERS!?
>another man leaps out of the sewer
>6 *******BONGERS!?
>people start pouring out in the street
>YA ****** IT BE CRIMBO SIX-A-BONG
>store clerks and chimey sweeps chanting SIX A-BONG SIX A-BONG
>we try to get away, the filth is choking me
>SIX A-BONG SIX A-BONG OLLY JOLLY ITS SIX A-BONG
>the lyrics drown everyone out, can't avoid dancers
>BANG UP THE KNACKERS AND SMACK YER MUM-
>OLL IN THE STREETS ITS SIX A-BONG
>fish and chips being thrown into the air en masse at this point
>several men are being beaten to death with cricket bats
>our ******* faces
 
We've just thrown out the deals we've got with our nearest trading partners and are looking at potentially having to remake them from scratch, from a position of telling them "we don't like you" (and some of our elected representatives have taken great delight in that).

We have just thrown away all our trade deals... with everyone. They are all tied into our EU membership.

The idea that leaving the EU is good for international trade, even with non-EU trading partners, is utterly bogus. Unless the UK is able renegotiate all its current deals in the next two years, which can't.
 
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