The next Conservative Leader thread.

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What a coward Boris is! Brought the country into turmoil but won't stand to try and fix it! Disgraceful behavior!
 
Interesting, it seems as though Boris was too liberal. The remainers were supporting him as he would have had a liberal approach to the negotiations, i.e freedom of movement. That may be what put Gove off. Looks awful, campaigning so strongly, only to then back down over everything you've campaigned on.
 
This is all good stuff as what we are doing is now reforming the whole discussion, the turmoil is allowing a clean out of old arguments and old thinking. This is good in my mind, part of my rationale. Johnson has just shown himself, like Farage to be little more than a mouthpiece without any true convictions he would stand behind. Not sure how people didn't realise this or chose to ignore it.
 
It's funny Gove has been widely loathed in his stints as education and justice secretary but now finds himself at the forefront of a PM election because he backed a populist movement...funny old game this.
 
A risky time to be PM with a split party, small majority and big decisions ahead. Even if he could have been elected by the party (big if, a lot of animosity) he wouldn't be PM for long. Either fall at an early GE next year or stay for negotiations and be deeply un-popoular from all sides (power means compromise and is terrible for a populist).
 
Personally i think the next PM is moving into a toxic role, so Boris is holding off to be the next after this selection

80% of the population are not going to be happy with the result of brexit so will blame the PM/government
I say 80% because when you start to look at pro leave people they have different expectations of whats going to happen, mainly 2 camps but can be refined down further
Camp 1 , really serious leavers, wanting full blown immigration controls etc (more like farage) wont be happy if we stay in the EEA as we will almost certainly have to accept keeping free movement
Camp 2, who wanted to regain some powers and freedoms but still see the main benefits of europe.
So which ever final solution we get will be broadly in line with one of those views and hence really only a solution wanted by some 20% or so of the population.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Personally i think the next PM is moving into a toxic role, so Boris is holding off to be the next after this selection

80% of the population are not going to be happy with the result of brexit so will blame the PM/government
I say 80% because when you start to look at pro leave people they have different expectations of whats going to happen, mainly 2 camps but can be refined down further
Camp 1 , really serious leavers, wanting full blown immigration controls etc (more like farage) wont be happy if we stay in the EEA as we will almost certainly have to accept keeping free movement
Camp 2, who wanted to regain some powers and freedoms but still see the main benefits of europe.
So which ever final solution we get will be broadly in line with one of those views and hence really only a solution wanted by some 20% or so of the population.
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A lot of people are saying this but I think he has shown he is a coward and not a conviction leader, something we haven't had since Thatcher I'd suggest. I've always voted Conservative, but I have been disillusioned with the PC, convictionless politics we have created and this vote has evidenced many are. No one likes getting talked down to (even if many people are ill informed, many quite stupid) but engagement is needed and I would never vote for Johnson in principal after he has either bottled it, or put self interest first. We need to stop that sort of politician, not support it.
 
Boris plays the long game, lets another ambitious Conservative take the poisoned chalice, lose the next general election and then he will move for the kill, wise choice.
 
Don't worry, Gove is a patsy, they needed someone to stand for the leave campaign and Gove was the most believable after Boris.

Gove is there to lose, his campaign will show you that much. May will win and suffer the political suicide that any EU outcome will bring (given the split in the country). When May loses the next GE and resigns Boris will swoop in and Gove will be his chancellor.
 
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