The next Conservative Leader thread.

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Burnsy2023 said:
So just an aside, what was Boris' strategy here?

He joined the leave campaign as it'd give him the opportunity to counter DC as leader and PM. I think we all know he didn't believe in the actual cause?

So if this was the plan, why is he dropping out? Perhaps not enough support from MPs? If that's the case, surely the plan would have been building support throughout? Perhaps he didn't expect a brexit win? Maybe he just wanted a stage opposite DC which could frame him as an obvious leader?
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He doesn't want to be the one who has to sell the requirements of trading in the single market to all the Brexiteers; he knows what a ****storm that's going to be.

It's the reason he wanted Dave to stay on, to take all the flak and vilification that will go with the exit negotiations. Cameron was one step ahead of him though.
 
I am not sure Johnson pulled out because he didn't expect to win, I suspect he's pulled out as he doesn't have much support within the party. He was never very popular within the party; and with Cameron's allies arrayed against him and Gove having pulled his support, Johnson probably felt a bit isolated.

He's saving his powder for another day. It may look bad, but I guess he'd rather not enter a race he cannot win.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
I am not sure Johnson pulled out because he didn't expect to win, I suspect he's pulled out as he doesn't have much support within the party. He was never very popular within the party; and with Cameron's allies arrayed against him and Gove having pulled his support, Johnson probably felt a bit isolated.

He's saving his powder for another day. It may look bad, but I guess he'd rather not enter a race he cannot win.
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If party support was the problem, surely this would have been thought about and efforts to canvass support would happen quite early on?
 
Uriel said:
Every chance that Boris just found out what Rupert Murdoch has got on him and decided to walk.
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I think you've hit the nail on the head. Maybe not what he has on him but found out Murdoch told him he just didn't like him and thought without the support of Murdoch he wasn't moving into number 10.
 
Mr Jack said:
Yes, she's violently opposed to privacy, due process, and basically thinks she should be allowed to do what she wants to people arbitrarily declared as bad people. The only thing holding her back so far as being the Human Rights Act and the ECHR, one of which she wants to abolish and the other of which she wants to leave.

Her immigration policies have been cruel and arbitrary and she's wasted a fortune in government money in one ill-judged deportation attempt after another.

She's the absolute black heart of the right.
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Mrs Thatcher for the 21st Century?

Could be worse. :)
 
Burnsy2023 said:
If party support was the problem, surely this would have been thought about and efforts to canvass support would happen quite early on?
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But it was never meant to happen now, don;t you see? Cameron wasnt meant to resign, Boris would have had 2 years to drum up the necessary support.

It all went wrong when Leave won and Cameron resigned.
 
Apparently Gove sub-edited Boris' widely criticised column in the Telegraph at the weekend, this is like Game of Thrones.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
I am not sure Johnson pulled out because he didn't expect to win, I suspect he's pulled out as he doesn't have much support within the party. He was never very popular within the party; and with Cameron's allies arrayed against him and Gove having pulled his support, Johnson probably felt a bit isolated.

He's saving his powder for another day. It may look bad, but I guess he'd rather not enter a race he cannot win.
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He pulled out because the next few years are going to be v poor growth, possibly even a recession. The distrust in the political elite was only heightened by the sharp reversal of Friday of the claims they made. May get worse. Hand the poisoned chalice to someone else. He can stand again in 10 or 15 years time when the new norm has settled in.
 
Greebo said:
But it was never meant to happen now, don;t you see? Cameron wasnt meant to resign, Boris would have had 2 years to drum up the necessary support.

It all went wrong when Leave won and Cameron resigned.
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Of course the Remain camp want to believe Boris was only in it for himself, because only an uneducated racist idiot could vote Leave, right?

Most political hounds are saying Boris has pulled out as Gove stabbed him in the back. So even if Boris was in it to advance his own career (which I don't accept), he's not bailing because of Brexit. He's bailing because he doesn't have enough support: Gove split the vote.

Anyway, Gove is not going to win it. He's just became even more toxic than he already was. I am hoping Leadsom is one of the final two candidates, I'd throw her my vote.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
Of course the Remain camp want to believe Boris was only in it for himself, because only an uneducated racist idiot could vote Leave, right?

Most political hounds are saying Boris has pulled out as Gove stabbed him in the back. So even if Boris was in it to advance his own career (which I don't accept), he's not bailing because of Brexit. He's bailing because he doesn't have enough support: Gove split the vote.

Anyway, Gove is not going to win it. He's just became even more toxic than he already was. I am hoping Leadsom is one of the final two candidates, I'd throw her my vote.
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No not at all, where did i say that? Fact is Boris is more pro than most Tory Mps and left it until the last possible minute to decide whether he was going to be pro remain or pro leave. It was always a political decision, nothing to do with his beliefs.

Yes hes dropped out cause of lack of support but thats purely on the events of Brexit winning and Cameron resigning. Without either there wouldnt even be a PM election now. Even with Gove's support he was never going to win.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
Of course the Remain camp want to believe Boris was only in it for himself, because only an uneducated racist idiot could vote Leave, right?
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Considering his hesitation to choose sides and his pro european comments previously, I doubt it was as simple as believing in the cause.
 
Andrea Leadsom seems like the dark horse and one to watch in the race Tory's are capable of ruthless agendas when they want something. Thatcher was not a running favourite after all.
 
TwsT said:
Andrea Leadsom seems like the dark horse and one to watch in the race Tory's are capable of ruthless agendas when they want something. Thatcher was not a running favourite after all.
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The Tories have a habit of electing outsiders. David Cameron was never the favourite to beat David Davies in 2005. John Major also springs to mind.
 
I flippin' love this. We voted leave & now the establishment political class is being shown for the out of touch, dodgy, back room dealing scumbags they are.

What a time to be alive.
 
Firestar_3x said:
He doesn't need the support of Murdoch to get into number 10, this isn't a GE.
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Murdoch is always in the background pulling the strings. It is clear from the email sent to Gove from his wife, (the one that was mysteriously copied to a member of the public yesterday) that Murdoch was 'cool' to the idea of Boris as PM.

I think people underestimate just how much power Murdoch and his empire actually wield.
 
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