Anyone disappointed that AMD has only released the 480 and nothing bigger?

[D.P.]

Not really, I didn't expect a bigger chip, there was no news of such.

Performance is slightly lower than I expected but not too far out, I was thinking between 390 and 390x but hoping for the later.

The dispaotining thing is the power consumption and the complete lack of competition here. AMD have finally caught up with Nvidia on the 28nm process. So will AMad on 10nm catch up with Pascal on 16nm.

 

[Orangey]

I am disappointed that they didn't go with the 90 first, traditionally ATI/AMD always did very well with 4850/5850/7950/290. They were just slightly slower than the top card but affordable. AMD even tweeted a teaser comparing the 480 to the 4000 series. 5850 was the best, top performance and OCed like an absolute madman all for very affordable price, I am still hoping for another with the 490. But the fact that even the humble 480 sucks more power than the 1070 doesn't bode well.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Aye, the "Better Nvidia" mindset is so ingrained it makes little difference what they do at the enthusiast level, the entry level market on the other hand neither knows nor cares about elitist attitudes.

I'd have thought it was the other way around where at the enthusiast level people spending £500+ on a GPU will be the people with an interest in such things and will have done their own research.
Then at the £200 level you're more likely to include people that don't have a huge interest in hardware and just want something to allow them to play games. I'd imagine a lot of these people will buy either based on price or the percieved better brand name.

 

[Orangey]

Casuals come in both rich and poor varieties.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Casuals come in both rich and poor varieties.

This is true and probably explains the 80:20 split (or whatever it is now).
Probably just comes down to one company using marketing to attract customers and one company sitting around with its thumb up it's bottom waiting for customers to find them.

 

[r7slayer]

All hail nVidia boo AMD cool again in these parts?

I don't see why the 480 is getting such hate. It's near enough twice as fast as its replacement card the 380. Problem is people are treating this card as if it's the 390x replacement. Reference cards are never that great and always hold the card's potential back. Look at the 10 series, those cards throttle so much with the reference cooler unless you go for a more noisier fan profile and wack the speed up. Custom cards don't have this problem and actually can overclock and maintain the speed all though they don't overclock no where near as good as maxwell did.

i expect the 480 to overclock well too. Touching 1400 on a reference card with a aftermarket cooler inst bad. Should easily hit 1500 with AIB cards which is why we saw sapphire mention it. 1500 is fury performance which for a 480 is very good.

would have been nice to hear some news on the 490 from AMD but as usual they are keeping hush hush.

Also people going on about all nvidia have to do is bring the price down on the 980 or 970 and that will look better. For one they are pretty much EOL cards now and have been replaced. Two they only have 4gb of memory and again and again people keep saying 4gb isn't enough now. 480 has 8gb of memory which makes it better does it not?



Also there is supposed to be a 485 too?

 

[Seanspeed]

All hail nVidia boo AMD cool again in these parts?

I don't see why the 480 is getting such hate. It's near enough twice as fast as its replacement card the 380. Problem is people are treating this card as if it's the 390x replacement.

It's been explained many times.

Node jump + new architecture means a new card should *easily* be able to match or beat the previous line's higher tier card. Assuming the 480 is the full Polaris 10 chip, then it's lackluster that it cannot match or beat a 390X.

Imagine if the GTX1080 couldn't even match a Titan X. People would be disappointed, rightfully so, even if it was priced no different than the 980 was. And hell, even the GTX970 was able to match the previous line's best card, and that was *only* architectural improvements, no node jump.

This isn't just any new set of cards. This was supposed to usher in the new generation of 14/16nm cards.

 

[eddiew]

Well, yes. Now nVidia have no reason to drop prices for a few months :/

 

[Darujhistan]

As you may or may not know, I have a GTX 1080


Don't worry we're all fully aware that you have a 1080. You've mentioned it several times.

You have a 1080, now you're buying a 480, still not happy with those cards you're now crying that AMD haven't released a top end card yet.

Get a grip man.

 

[Diagro]

AMD can't compete with Nvidia's top cards. So they didn't even try. What they're doing now is the correct move as they aren't needlessly wasting resources when they have no chance against Nvidia.

yes they can.

But they need more time to get their stuff ready.

VEGA is out next year and it will have HBM2. They will come all guns blasing

 

[r7slayer]

It's been explained many times.

Node jump + new architecture means a new card should *easily* be able to match or beat the previous line's higher tier card. Assuming the 480 is the full Polaris 10 chip, then it's lackluster that it cannot match or beat a 390X.

Imagine if the GTX1080 couldn't even match a Titan X. People would be disappointed, rightfully so, even if it was priced no different than the 980 was. And hell, even the GTX970 was able to match the previous line's best card, and that was *only* architectural improvements, no node jump.

This isn't just any new set of cards. This was supposed to usher in the new generation of 14/16nm cards.

Problem is if you look at how AMD have tried to market this card they have tried to make it appear power efficent as possible restricting its power. Sapphire have even said they have hit 1500 with the 480. Gibbo excpects the custom cards to come with 1350 out of the box. At around 1350 this is matching and possibly beating the 390x. 1500 will be hitting fury performance.

Nvidia have marketed the 1080 as a very fast card and made sure it was faster than previous gens high end. Might be why they don't clock for poo compared to maxwell lol.

 

[shankly1985]

As you may or may not know, I have a GTX 1080


Don't worry we're all fully aware that you have a 1080. You've mentioned it several times.

You have a 1080, now you're buying a 480, still not happy with those cards you're now crying that AMD haven't released a top end card yet.

Get a grip man.

 

[XeNoNF50]

As AMD are marketing this as a budget card they needed to nail price/performance. They didn't. They got it completely wrong. Same price and same performance as the previous generation.

 

[RavenXXX2]

As AMD are marketing this as a budget card they needed to nail price/performance. They didn't. They got it completely wrong. Same price and same performance as the previous generation.

480 4GB at £175 is good.

 

[r7slayer]

As AMD are marketing this as a budget card they needed to nail price/performance. They didn't. They got it completely wrong. Same price and same performance as the previous generation.

Sorry what? The 380 released at $199. The 480 releases at $199 but is roughly twice as fast more power efficient and is the best $/performance card at the moment. Not the most efficient card as that goes the the 1070. So how is it a failure?

People need to stop thinking this as the 390x replacement lol.

 

[melmac]

As AMD are marketing this as a budget card they needed to nail price/performance. They didn't. They got it completely wrong. Same price and same performance as the previous generation.

Wrong, This was launched at the same price as the card it's replacing and it's much faster.

 

[XeNoNF50]

Sorry what? The 380 released at $199. The 480 releases at $199 but is roughly twice as fast more power efficient and is the best $/performance card at the moment. Not the most efficient card as that goes the the 1070. So how is it a failure?

People need to stop thinking this as the 390x replacement lol.

It just seems at least on launch they've focused more on the 8gb card, which has come in at the same price and same performance as the cards that currently exist within that space, as opposed to the 4gb variant which would make more sense to the people they're actually marketing the card at.

 

[MDPlatts]

This is true and probably explains the 80:20 split (or whatever it is now).

Overall its nearer 66:33 according to some news stories recently (e.g. http://wccftech.com/amd-takes-gpu-share-nvidia-q1-2016/) - and probably heading for 60:40 (laptops are already at this level). This is not including integrated graphics where Intel are the x86 competition.

Admittedly if you limit this to the higher end desktop cards then it may be nearer the 80:20 mark but that is moving too.

 

[Jono8]

Problem is if you look at how AMD have tried to market this card they have tried to make it appear power efficent as possible restricting its power. Sapphire have even said they have hit 1500 with the 480. Gibbo excpects the custom cards to come with 1350 out of the box. At around 1350 this is matching and possibly beating the 390x. 1500 will be hitting fury performance.

Nvidia have marketed the 1080 as a very fast card and made sure it was faster than previous gens high end. Might be why they don't clock for poo compared to maxwell lol.

Whilst Pascal doesnt clock as well as Maxwell it still clocks as well as Pplaris, if not better from what we have seen.

If we take 1500mhz as a general max clock on the 480 - 18% over the ref boost clock and take 2.1ghz as a general max clock on the 1080 - 21% over the ref boost clock it is even slightly better.

if custom 480's can reach 1600mhz it will still only be a slightly better clocker and with many reviews saying that the best they could achive on the ref board was ~1350mhz we can be forgiven for being pesimistic about lots of 480's being able to do 1600mhz! You might get a golden chip that can do 1600mhz but i would be hugely surprised if the majority got to that..

 

[r7slayer]

Whilst Pascal doesnt clock as well as Maxwell it still clocks as well as Pplaris, if not better from what we have seen.

If we take 1500mhz as a general max clock on the 480 - 18% over the ref boost clock and take 2.1ghz as a general max clock on the 1080 - 21% over the ref boost clock it is even slightly better.

if custom 480's can reach 1600mhz it will still only be a slightly better clocker and with many reviews saying that the best they could achive on the ref board was ~1350mhz we can be forgiven for being pesimistic about lots of 480's being able to do 1600mhz!

Thing is though we don't know how well the 480 clocks. We have only seen what the reference can do and at the moment it's not getting enough juice to let it go further.