Brexit thread - what happens next

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I say go with it, sod the 17 odd million who voted to leave. There's several thousand with placards, and t-shirts, and face paint who are incredibly upset. Let's go with them.
 
human nature, people like blaming something far away from them,. even to the point of defending extremely bad companies they work for.
we have a large problem in the uk. are infrastructure is old thanks to leading the industrial revolution and there's a resistance from many companies to infest to update and same for the public not in my back garden.

well you can keep curvy railway tracks which will always be relatively slow. or you allow governments to build new stuff at a fraction of the cost of upgrades, but it requires being built in someone's back yards.

same issue with criminal law and are appalling rates of rehabilitation, we know how to drastically improve things. but public just wants revenge, and as such government implements rubbish rules which is why success rates are so low.,

its why democracy has never and never should be majority rules.

Most decisions are made with a quorum and im in support for it. Maybe we should have another national vote on how we vote in the future, I think consensus will be outright votes rather than majority % limit or PR.
 
Am really confused Glaucus...the vote asked a really simple question and the stipulations were that whichever side got more votes would be selected as the outcome. Its really straightforward and very simple...no room for ambiguity.

I didn't see people complaining about the format beforehand, and now that a majority by a 4% swing as voted in one direction then that will needs to be upheld, otherwise it makes a mockery of that particular voting process

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you cant have been reading many of us in here and the wider uk were complaining.

and no it is not so simple and no room for ambiguity.
again how do you not understand democracy can not be based on lies and fears.
its why we have so much legislation in place to protect minorities in all forms, so that the majority can't just over turn the rights of anyone else.
democracy is not and never has been majority wins. Again theres a huge amounts of safeguards in place to actively prevent that, safeguards that where totally ignored in this vote.
 
Agreed but where I live it was the second most giving reason for voting leave as the eu had destroyed the steel industry. It amazes me how this became "fact"

You get people complaining about the CAP being there to prop up French farmers and shouldn't be allowed but people wanted the same thing for the steel industry.

Because people want to have their cake, eat it, and have the neighbour starve to top it off. Of course, the world doesn't work like that so they're in for a rude awakening.
 
Yeah successive governments have ignored manufacturing and concentrated on services such as the financial sector. Whereas Germany took the manufacturing route.

We make very little nowadays and even then a lot of it is just for foreign companies such as Toyota who have 8 factories in Europe to switch their production too if it suits.

Makes us very vulnerable imo

Bit of hyperbole there, really.

Germany: service 70%, industry 29.1%, and agriculture 0.9%.

UK: service 78.4%, industry 21%, and agriculture 0.6%.

The reality is that most Western developed countries have undergone de-industrialisation over the past half century. The US, for example, actually have a slightly smaller percentage of industry than us (20.8%), despite being the world's second largest manufacturing nation.
 
I didn't see people complaining about the format beforehand, and now that a majority by a 4% swing as voted in one direction then that will needs to be upheld, otherwise it makes a mockery of that particular voting process

People always complain when they lose, par for the course.
 
human nature, people like blaming something far away from them,. even to the point of defending extremely bad companies they work for.
we have a large problem in the uk. are infrastructure is old thanks to leading the industrial revolution and there's a resistance from many companies to infest to update and same for the public not in my back garden.

well you can keep curvy railway tracks which will always be relatively slow. or you allow governments to build new stuff at a fraction of the cost of upgrades, but it requires being built in someone's back yards.

same issue with criminal law and are appalling rates of rehabilitation, we know how to drastically improve things. but public just wants revenge, and as such government implements rubbish rules which is why success rates are so low.,

its why democracy has never and never should be majority rules.

you cant have been reading many of us in here and the wider uk were complaining.

and no it is not so simple and no room for ambiguity.
again how do you not understand democracy can not be based on lies and fears.
its why we have so much legislation in place to protect minorities in all forms, so that the majority can't just over turn the rights of anyone else.
democracy is not and never has been majority wins. Again theres a huge amounts of safeguards in place to actively prevent that, safeguards that where totally ignored in this vote.

Ok, I suggest you go and campaign for better measures on future votes of this type. However this vote has ran its course under the agreed voting mechanism and the outcome will be followed. If it isn't then there will be a high degree of unrest; guaranteed.

And yep lots of complaining. All over the media. Crazy. Oh actually im immune to sensationalism and intelligent enough to understand that the media are drumming up stories and concentrating on the failure of the remain campaign and interviewing idiots (of which you can very easily find on both sides) is not an accurate representation.
 
you cant have been reading many of us in here and the wider uk were complaining.

and no it is not so simple and no room for ambiguity.
again how do you not understand democracy can not be based on lies and fears.
its why we have so much legislation in place to protect minorities in all forms, so that the majority can't just over turn the rights of anyone else.
democracy is not and never has been majority wins. Again theres a huge amounts of safeguards in place to actively prevent that, safeguards that where totally ignored in this vote.

so when the lib dems made them promises about doing away with uni fee's which was an outright lie and they admitted they shouldnt have done it afterwards. why didnt that election get turned over ????
 
The Conservative Party promised to get net migration to below 100,000 in the General Election, do they get kicked out since they cannot and will not achieve this, as it was a lie? How about we start over turning General Elections where one party said something that they then didn't go and do?

Or maybe we could let people listen to what the Politicians say then use our own research and critical thinking skills to make an informed decision on who to vote for. We had months of public debates, I think everyone knew the £350 million figure was a bit dubious, and was in fact a gross figure. Give the electorate some credit.
 
Again you're factually incorrect, he was not part of the official Leave campaign.

My apologies, it was the sidelined grassroots out that he was involved with. I wonder if it was his involvement that saw them passed over.

Where else have I been factually incorrect?
 
so when the lib dems made them promises about doing away with uni fee's which was an outright lie and they admitted they shouldnt have done it afterwards. why didnt that election get turned over ????

how is that an out right lie?#
they weren't the only ones in power. therefore they cant implement what they want. Amazed you cant understand this and what a coalition means, but then again it seems most of the public couldn't understand the implications of a coalition.

huge difference between not being able to fulfil manifestos for a perfectly reasonable position.

and out right lies like the 350m which is demonstrably wrong, no ifs or buts.
The Conservative Party promised to get net migration to below 100,000 in the General Election, do they get kicked out since they cannot and will not achieve this, as it was a lie? How about we start over turning General Elections where one party said something that they then didn't go and do?

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always been in favour for out right lies to lead to prion sentences, might sound harsh. but it's extremely damaging to the country and extremely hard to fix.

but again not fulfilling most pledges is very different to out right lies. although your example is a lie.
herd mentality, so no I don't agree that people voted from a knowledgeable position and should be trusted.
 
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My apologies, it was the sidelined grassroots out that he was involved with. I wonder if it was his involvement that saw them passed over.

Where else have I been factually incorrect?

You were wrong when you were saying £350m should now be spent on the NHS and other people pointed out that Leave wasn't the government and could only suggest how the money could be spent
 
You were wrong when you were saying £350m should now be spent on the NHS and other people pointed out that Leave wasn't the government and could only suggest how the money could be spent

I said the people were misled. That's not factually incorrect. It couldn't be more correct.

If you don't have the authority then don't make the promises.
 
I said the people were misled. That's not factually incorrect. It couldn't be more correct.

If you don't have the authority then don't make the promises.

They didn't make promises, you're deliberately using language incorrectly to make your argument sound better. They could not make promises, they're not in Government!
 
According to the protesters, the result isn't a reflection of the majority of the country. Hard to say, but it's a majority of those who were willing to vote. Making fools of themselves.

I'd love them to canvass more people in this protest, someone earlier said 'I don't know why i'm here but I think it's important to be here'.

And no, it wasn't Roy Hodgson.
 
They didn't make promises, you're deliberately using language incorrectly to make your argument sound better. They could not make promises, they're not in Government!

When you say incorrectly do you mean innit saying what you think I am or what you want me to say?

Do you honestly believe that putting '£350m a week' and the NHS badge on a bus isn't intentionally misleading?
 
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