Farage

[Kenai]

Nice way to spin it, so your now saying Osborne can see in the future and predicted a 30 Billion black hole, tax rises, fuel rises and public service cuts but only when we actually leave the EU, and you believed him?

A few links that say otherwise.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...x-rises-warn-george-osborne-and-a7082271.html

"Any Government would have to introduce an emergency Budget involving tens of billions of pounds of spending cuts and tax rises if Britain votes to leave the EU next week, George Osborne and Alistair Darling will warn".

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ole-in-public-finance-if-uk-votes-to-leave-eu

"In a sign of the panic gripping the remain campaign, the chancellor plans to say that the hit to the economy will be so large that he will have little choice but to tear apart Conservative manifesto promises in an emergency budget delivered within weeks of an out vote".

And since day one i have said that if we voted leave Cameron and Osborne would be out of a job,

Osborne wouldn't be in his current job to do anything at all when we do leave, so he would have no say in whatever happens, so your point is baseless.

You know full well that it was to scare people who where on the leave side, or those who couldn't decide which way to vote.

I'll take your post as what you intended it to mean, as in taking the urine.

Everything said there was against the backdrop of Cameron promising to immediately invoke article 50, so at that stage of campaigning to all intents and purposes, a leave vote was synonymous with immediately starting the official process. This is now clearly no longer the case.

 

[Arazi]

Everything said there was against the backdrop of Cameron promising to immediately invoke article 50, so at that stage of campaigning to all intents and purposes, a leave vote was synonymous with immediately starting the official process. This is now clearly no longer the case.

So your saying Osborne didn't know Cameron was going to resign and pass the buck if he lost the referendum, rather than start a50? Touch naive.

You do know they are best mates?

And to be honest, why are we not seeing more hate for Cameron? He's a coward, even if he did it to shaft Boris in the process, that is not thinking of your country and it's population and not doing your duty as a PM.

I am glad he lost, they are a joke.

 

[Mauller]

And to be honest, why are we not seeing more hate for Cameron? He's a coward, even if he did it to shaft Boris in the process, that is not thinking of your country and it's population and not doing your duty as a PM.

I am glad he lost, they are a joke.

Considering how Cameron said that he would respect the will of the people and that he would see through whatever outcome, along with a few other things. you can see how spineless and two faced he is by leaving.

 

[Destination]

Considering how Cameron said that he would respect the will of the people and that he would see through whatever outcome, along with a few other things. you can see how spineless and two faced he is by leaving.

No convinced, the people basically told him to **** off, so he did.
Screw you, they said to him, so screw you he has responded.
Let the people clean up their own mess.
He won't be the unemployed one, or the one whos pension gets smashed, or the low paid worker who will get squeezed, or the one who will be hurt by the rise in food and energy costs.
and he'll still have sov

 

[lafemmefatale]

Politician in being two-faced and spineless shocker. Colour me surprised.

 

[sprite1275]

Exactly this, all our local schools are over subscribed and it's no immigration that is the problem. We would also see the cost of loads of things shoot up if you removed the immigrant workforce as simple things like carpenters would be in much shorter supply!

I don't know how the uk coped before the influx of immigrants.

 

[Caged]

I don't know how the uk coped before the influx of immigrants.

What decade was that?

 

[Gilly]

What decade was that?

Decade? What century was that?!

 

[Mauller]

I don't know how the uk coped before the influx of immigrants.

becasue the net migration figure was in the 10's of thousands before 97 and not the hundereds of thousands that it is today.

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics

 

[Caged]

Bloody Beaker folk, coming over here...

 

[Conscript]

Bloody Beaker folk, coming over here...

"Get back in the sea, you finned ****."

 

[Six6siX]

becasue the net migration figure was in the 10's of thousands before 97 and not the hundereds of thousands that it is today.

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics

Yep, and spending on public services and infrastructure hasn't matched it.

 

[silversurfer]

Considering how Cameron said that he would respect the will of the people and that he would see through whatever outcome, along with a few other things. you can see how spineless and two faced he is by leaving.

Im no fan of the Cam or any of the Blair generation type, they all seem a bit flaky to me but leaving I wouldnt say he was two faced. Its more to do with the nature of politics and backroom a lot of what was going on for Cam. Thatcher was not the norm, almost literally pushed out. I think the PM is leaving (on his own terms) because he was given the nod, you no longer have the party members majority support.
Invariably someone wants to take the job and will start a fire beneath his remaining weak support in the party so he is going, its untenable no doubt he can get some fancy job elsewhere now

They should bring back Heseltine as a caretaker type PM, he thinks of Boris what you said of Cam. He was deputy at some point I believe and well qualified and experienced. It was the older vote who put this through after all

I have no doubt they'll overeach and grasp in desperation at someone not suitable as a leader and end up with a right dithering pleb instead and probably lose the election on the EU fallout.
Like '97 any benefits from avoiding the EU mess with the hard actions taken (and costs) will then be reaped longer term by the opposition

 

[Mauller]

"Get back in the sea, you finned ****."

Those damned Atoms! Making up everything! we will have none of that! Quark-gluon plasma for life!

 

[Mauller]

Im no fan of the Cam or any of the Blair generation type, they all seem a bit flaky to me but leaving I wouldn't say he was two faced. Its more to do with the nature of politics and backroom a lot of what was going on for Cam.

Just as one example of him being two-faced was all the issues around Turkey, Before the Eu referendum campaigning he was one of their biggest supporters for joining. Yet he is suddenly saying that they would never join the EU, although he knows otherwise in the background.

The Turkish foreign minister even came out saying that he was hurt by what Cameron was saying after all the support he was giving them. You can find the video on youtube.

 

[Bonjour]

Decade? What century was that?!

Which millennia, tbh.

 

[Arazi]

Considering how Cameron said that he would respect the will of the people and that he would see through whatever outcome, along with a few other things. you can see how spineless and two faced he is by leaving.

Very much so.

 

[Greebo]

So your saying Osborne didn't know Cameron was going to resign and pass the buck if he lost the referendum, rather than start a50? Touch naive.

You do know they are best mates?

And to be honest, why are we not seeing more hate for Cameron? He's a coward, even if he did it to shaft Boris in the process, that is not thinking of your country and it's population and not doing your duty as a PM.

I am glad he lost, they are a joke.

There was no guarantee that David would resign or that he knew about it. Did you?

And if he did know he couldnt say, dont worry there wont a 30 billion black hole cause DC isnt going to invoke A50, hes going to resign.

 

[gettothechopper]

Cameron believed very strongly that leaving the EU would be suicide - he tried to talk the 52% off a high ledge, and now those people are complaining that he wont give them a push

If he had said before the Referendum that he would go in the event of a leave vote, we would have had the leadership chaos we are seeing now before the vote, which would have been a massive distraction - also he was probably trying to stop others using the Boris technique of choosing the leave side to try and get the PM job

 

[Billy 2 Sips]

That's a very general question so needs a general answer. They read the sun/mirror/mail and believe what's reported. They believe that we've lost the ability to decide what's best for our country, that our armed forces will be taken away, that we're throwing huge amounts of our money away, that the NHS will have a new hospital a week if we vote to leave...

The lesser educated I would suggest are more likely to believe these things, and believe that likeable buffoon really does want what's best for the country and not just for himself.

I'm sure that's what most remainers think a stereotypical leave voter resembles.

Lesser educated people are more likely to live in poorer areas. Low skilled migrants are more likely to move to these poorer areas. The social demographics of these communities has changed drastically over the past 10 years, and not for the better in my town.

We already know low skilled migration suppresses wages at the low end, so I'm not going to labour the point, but to say British workers do not want to do these jobs is simply not true.

I've done factory jobs 15 years ago, and have friends who were doing this kind of work within the last 10 years who have basically been forced out, going to team meetings that were conducted solely in another language, texts from work in another language.

I've got plenty of stories from my family and friends regarding issues such as housing and education, but obviously these will just be dismissed as anecdotal so I'm not going to waste my time getting into them.

The massive influx of low skilled immigration is not a positive for the lesser educated people in our country.