Brexit thread - what happens next

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Had a feeling that Farage would step down after the referendum whatever the result. At least now he's stood down having achieved something. I also expect UKIP will fade away to irrelevance now, which is a shame but goes to show the effectiveness of Farage.
 
ignore the rest of what i said? i just watched his entire speech and he is far from abandoning his work as an MEP. And will be pushing MP's and people dealing with the negotiations for us to get a good deal, or no deal and a clean break. making sure we are not lumbered with EU membership-light.

Given that his "work" as an MEP has involved not turning up to almost all votes, whilst collecting his salary and making use of the expenses system, whilst insulting fellow MEPs? Then yes, I'm sure he will continue that for as long as is possible.
 
Lead what? No-one is going to let him near the negotiations. All he can do is squawk from the sidelines while more serious politicians get on with the difficult business of choosing a path forward for the UK.

Squawking from the sidelines is what he has been doing for years, it never bother him. He could lead by presenting a Brexit UKIP manifesto, by laying out a plan etc. He could um I don't know, maybe represent the millions who voted for him. The eggs are broken and all the chefs are leaving the kitchen, I wonder why that is.
 
So if no-one did any analysis of what things would be like post-Brexit, how can any of the claims the Leave campaign were saying be credible?

And you voted to change the entire course of the country with no plan other than 'I'm sure it'll be ok'? Brilliant....

Sorry, but we're at cross purposes here.

My view is that it is vital policy makers act to offset (as best as they can) the impact of negative shocks to an economy. Osborne and Cameron had a duty to offset any negative shock the economy would experience as the result of a Leave vote win. Instead, they deliberately inflated the negative shock of a Leave vote win for political purposes. That was simply game-playing, and worked to undermine market confidence, further increase uncertainty, amplify volatility and the negative impact of Leave winning. They behaved in a disgraceful way.

After all, Cameron was the one who called the referendum. It was his responsibility to analyze the consequence of a Leave or Remain win, and have measures developed and put in place to mitigate shocks as best as possible. That is the responsibility of the government, and in that it seems Cameron has failed: He's lazily and very belatedly announced that civil servents are going to start to look at Brexit. Cameron's relative inaction constitutes a dereliction of duty.
 
Lead what? No-one is going to let him near the negotiations. All he can do is squawk from the sidelines while more serious politicians get on with the difficult business of choosing a path forward for the UK.

Leadsom has said there might be a place for him on the cabinet or in the negotiating team.
 
Sorry, but we're at cross purposes here.

My view is that it is vital policy makers act to offset (as best as they can) the impact of negative shocks to an economy. Osborne and Cameron had a duty to offset any negative shock the economy would experience as the result of a Leave vote win. Instead, they deliberately inflated the negative shock of a Leave vote win for political purposes. That was simply game-playing, and worked to undermine market confidence, further increase uncertainty, amplify volatility and the negative impact of Leave winning. They behaved in a disgraceful way.

After all, Cameron was the one who called the referendum. It was his responsibility to analyze the consequence of a Leave or Remain win, and have measures developed and put in place to mitigate shocks as best as possible. That is the responsibility of the government, and in that it seems Cameron has failed: He's lazily and very belatedly announced that civil servents are going to start to look at Brexit. Cameron's relative inaction constitutes a dereliction of duty.

So for example... If I had a campaign saying I'm going to make everyone a billionaire .... And then I won.... Even though my promise was totally unfeasable... Why would the government have to stick to my promise even though it cannot be done.
 
Had a feeling that Farage would step down after the referendum whatever the result. At least now he's stood down having achieved something. I also expect UKIP will fade away to irrelevance now, which is a shame but goes to show the effectiveness of Farage.

He chucked a grenade in the economy and ran away, like virtually every high profile member of the Leave side.
 

Hmm...

Ms Leadsom replied: “I wouldn’t want to get into who would do what.

"What we need is somebody to lead the campaign who really believes in the opportunities.”​

Seems a bit of stretch from that to saying she'll give Farage a place on the negotiating team, and even more of a stretch to suggest she'd give a man from another party, who isn't even an MP, a place in cabinet.
 
Hmm...

Ms Leadsom replied: “I wouldn’t want to get into who would do what.

"What we need is somebody to lead the campaign who really believes in the opportunities.”​

Seems a bit of stretch from that to saying she'll give Farage a place on the negotiating team, and even more of a stretch to suggest she'd give a man from another party, who isn't even an MP, a place in cabinet.

Well since all the other candidates have ruled out him having any involvement, the fact when asked directly, she says she hasnt ruled anybody out......
 
Then surely he couldn't give out any facts and figures during his campaign .... there was no plan then surely him giving numbers out would be wrong.

If I said I'm going to make everyone in this county millionares I would be certainly asked how I'm going to do that.

There are plenty of detailed Brexit plans Boris could subscribe to if he wanted, but why focus on him so much, the Government called the referendum and should have a plan for either of the two results. If they weren't serious about the potential for leaving then why call the referendum.
 
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He chucked a grenade in the economy and ran away, like virtually every high profile member of the Leave side.

He's probably made a tidy profit on his hedge funds though so what does he care, markets love a bit of turmoil as there is always profit to be had when the market is moving.
 
None of them will stand behind the complete mess they've made. They convinced those who reject facts to vote for their ridiculous cause, won it unexpectedly and have now almost entirely run away in panic.
 
There are plenty of detailed Brexit plans Boris could subscribe to if he wanted, but why focus on him so much, the Government called the referendum and should have a plan for either of the two results. If they weren't serious about the potential for leaving then why call the referendum.
Why so much about the governments plan, he was the one in the front and should have been the one backing up leave with solid ideas on the future. The current government should have a plan for the interim period (Which they appear to have) but as far as the ultimate future is concerned the ball was in his court as far as I can see.
 
There are plenty of detailed Brexit plans Boris could subscribe to if he wanted, but why focus on him so much, the Government called the referendum and should have a plan for either of the two results. If they weren't serious about the potential for leaving then why call the referendum.

The government had a clear position on the referendum - Remain. Just as with the Scottish referendum, it's for those arguing for the alternative position to come up with a clear vision of what the alternative they're arguing for looks like. Instead we got a mixture of lies and unicorn-wishes and, as is abundantly obvious now, now a single one of the significant Leave leaders has a clue what to do next.
 
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