*** The Official Elite: Dangerous Thread ***

[NeilF]

No, there was plenty more specific, you just typically chose to ignore it so you could further disparage FD and Elite, remind me again why you continue to post in here? You don't appear to like the game and rarely have a good thing to say about it.

Maybe calm down a bit and stop looking for fights everywhere...

All this (^^) because I suggested someone waits for the suggested changes to come in and settle down instead of jumping straight into The Engineers now. You're being too onerous about any/all comments.

 

[Mr_Sukebe]

I'm about 4.5LY from home now. Almost back from the bubble. Left before the engineers! Upon my return what should I do to get back into things and get some mods on my ship?

Taking into account the above comments that it might be prudent to wait, the key question you need to consider is "how do I play". The choice of what to do is pretty much driven by that.
If you're an explorer, there are the following:
- Updates to increase FSD jump range (VERY useful). My Conda now has a 44LY jump range and that's without going "extra lightweight" in it's build and with a pretty pants FSD increase roll. Quite easy to get over 50LY range with the right roll
- Some will reduce weight on components
- Some will reduce heat build up from components


If you want to fight there are weapon, shield and armour enhancements.

If you want to "avoid" combat, or better dogfight, there are enhancements for "optimal mass" of thrusters. As mentioned earlier, my Asp now has a good 10% enhancement to speed and agility.

 

[Dano]

Maybe calm down a bit and stop looking for fights everywhere...

All this (^^) because I suggested someone waits for the suggested changes to come in and settle down instead of jumping straight into The Engineers now. You're being too onerous about any/all comments.

Am I? And no, all this because you continually misrepresent the facts. I am quite calm thanks, if you don't like being called over your factually incorrect posts then don't post them, simple.

 

[NeilF]

Am I? And no, all this because you continually misrepresent the facts. I am quite calm thanks, if you don't like being called over your factually incorrect posts then don't post them, simple.

If you say so... You're not being onerous at all about matters, and I was bang out of order for suggesting our friend simply waits for the changes to come in, and that we don't know the full scale of them... even though you seemingly do.

 

[Dano]

The proof is right there for all to read.

 

[NeilF]

The proof is right there for all to read.

Quote it then...

How much less "work" will we be doing come the changes?

 

[Dano]

I already did and that's an entirely different question isn't it.

 

[NeilF]

I already did and that's an entirely different question isn't it.

You read my comment, decided not to like it, so got a pitch fork out.

I'll quote my detestable post again...

The question (conjecture) is, how much they'll adjust things, in what ways... It could well be in a couple of months, it's half the "effort", and there's other changes that make it even less of an "effort"...

We simply have no idea, when they bring their changes in, what the scale of impact on reducing levelling up/collecting materials will be? I don't believe there's anything FD have said to quantity this.

So I fail to see how that comment is unfounded...

In truth, I think you're just finding fights when none are deserved.

 

[Dano]

Sigh... whatever...

I'll ask again, why do you continue to post in here when you clearly dislike the game?

 

[NeilF]

Sigh... whatever...

Indeed... Lock that pitch fork away. It's really not needed, and does more harm than good. A perfectly simple comment and off you go on witch hunt. Not fun at all

I'll ask again, why do you continue to post in here when you clearly dislike the game?

I'd suggest you put that crystal ball in the cupboard alongside that pitchfork

I've currently grown tired of the game (for reasons I've explained), so I'm actively taking a break from it now - The Engineers being my tipping point. I'm still hoping FD move things in a direction that will then tempt me back. Going to be interesting to see what passenger missions, 2.2 & 2.3 can bring to the gameplay. And looking ahead, when they finally add some exploration content, Wing content, and deeper background sim mechanics...

As for hating the game... Have probably put more time into it than any other game I've ever played. So I've more than got my Kickstarter donations worth out of it. I don't hate it... I am frustrated where FD are taking it... But there we are...

I've also invested a huge amount of effort into the game from a community aspect, and that's where I'll be most fustrated if FD don't move ED in a direction where I'd like to play again.

 

[Dano]

Indeed... Lock that pitch fork away. It's really not needed, and does more harm than good. A perfectly simple comment and off you go on witch hunt. Not fun at all

I'd suggest you put that crystal ball in the cupboard alongside that pitchfork

I'd suggest you actually read things before posting rubbish then because I will continue to call you on it, if you think that's picking fights for no reason it's easily avoided, don't post rubbish.

I've currently grown tired of the game (for reasons I've explained), so I'm actively taking a break from it now - The Engineers being my tipping point. I'm still hoping FD move things in a direction that will then tempt me back. Going to be interesting to see what passenger missions, 2.2 & 2.3 can bring to the gameplay. And looking ahead, when they finally add some exploration content, Wing content, and deeper background sim mechanics...

As for hating the game... Have probably put more time into it than any other game I've ever played. So I've more than got my Kickstarter donations worth out of it. I don't hate it... I am frustrated where FD are taking it... But there we are...

I've also invested a huge amount of effort into the game from a community aspect, and that's where I'll be most fustrated if FD don't move ED in a direction where I'd like to play again.

Well you certainly come across as having an agenda to discredit the game, perhaps you should take a break from your continual moaning and bitching that the game hasn't gone down your personal route of preference and give us all a rest.

 

[NeilF]

Well you certainly come across as having an agenda to discredit the game, perhaps you should take a break from your continual moaning and bitching that the game hasn't gone down your personal route of preference and give us all a rest.

I'd suggest again, you've got carried away over nothing:-

The question (conjecture) is, how much they'll adjust things, in what ways... It could well be in a couple of months, it's half the "effort", and there's other changes that make it even less of an "effort"...

I fail to see how that merits your (continued) tirade? Again, no need for it...


Anway, let's move on...

 

[dirtybeatfreak]

Neil, he does have a point though. You do come into the thread with a very negative demeanor and tell us how much you are fed up with it quite often. While you have every right to do so of course, it does get boring reading it mate

Hence my friendly dig the other day about you posting something for the 3 millionth time.

 

[NeilF]

Neil, he does have a point though. You do come into the thread with a very negative demeanor and tell us how much you are fed up with it quite often. While you have every right to do so of course, it does get boring reading it mate

Hence my friendly dig the other day about you posting something for the 3 millionth time.

So let me understand... A problem he (or you) has with a post (or posts) of mine from last week, or the week before, or a couple of months back, means a post I make today can be set upon completely out of context?

Just so I understand and all...


Just to put this in context, my posts..

Personally? I'd wait. I think there's been a fair amount of complaints at The Engineer mechanics (to say the least) so expect FD to most likely keep on the path of least resistance and just dish out more materials, more often, more easily to appease people.

So if I was you, I'd wait a month, you'll most likely find it less grind'tastic.

Anything particularly harsh or not useful or not grounded in this?​

The question (conjecture) is, how much they'll adjust things, in what ways... It could well be in a couple of months, it's half the "effort", and there's other changes that make it even less of an "effort"...

Anything offensive here?​

And I end up getting stuff like:-

so you could further disparage FD and Elite

Huh?

..moaning and bitching...

Huh?


And even when I'm asked why "I hate Elite," and politely post a considered & constructive response:-

I've currently grown tired of the game (for reasons I've explained), so I'm actively taking a break from it now - The Engineers being my tipping point. I'm still hoping FD move things in a direction that will then tempt me back. Going to be interesting to see what passenger missions, 2.2 & 2.3 can bring to the gameplay. And looking ahead, when they finally add some exploration content, Wing content, and deeper background sim mechanics...

As for hating the game... Have probably put more time into it than any other game I've ever played. So I've more than got my Kickstarter donations worth out of it. I don't hate it... I am frustrated where FD are taking it... But there we are...

I've also invested a huge amount of effort into the game from a community aspect, and that's where I'll be most frustrated if FD don't move ED in a direction where I'd like to play again.

...I get another torrent of attitude...​

Anyhoo. If you think Dano's response is "in keeping," fair enough. Just seems he's decided to appoint himself ED-thought-police and is out on patrol looking for anything to cuff an ear for It's just created a page of nonsense over my comments about waiting for a month or so for the changes to come into play which will reduce the effort needed to "Engineer"... Bizarre!

 

[StrongSad]

Neil, I don't see anything particularly wrong with anybodies posts. Myself however, all this stems from

Unless you've quoted what those changes will actually be?

When I read your reply, that made me go "huh.... did he not read the quote?? or choosing not to intemperate it"

That was my first thought on it. Seemed a bit dismissive of Dano's post and TBF I would have responded in the same way....

 

[One Vision]

I was a kickstarter Alpha backer from day one and im also a bit peeved in what they have done to the game with regards to the original vision. I agree with many of Neils points especially exploration and procedurally generated content which to be honest does not really work as it was explained in the very early dev video.

 

[dirtybeatfreak]

So let me understand... A problem he (or you) has with a post (or posts) of mine from last week, or the week before, or a couple of months back, means a post I make today can be set upon completely out of context?

Just so I understand and all...

Not at all, and I am not saying your opinions aren't valid or even true. You know that too (at least I hope you would).

It's just seems that whenever you post in this thread, it's just about how you are fed up with the direction the game has taken etc and we have heard your view on that over and over As soon as someone else posts anything even slightly negative about the game, you suddenly seem to appear and bring up the same points you have said again and again. Might be why you feel your posts are being jumped on is all

 

[NeilF]

It's just seems that whenever you post in this thread, it's just about how you are fed up with the direction the game has taken etc and we have heard your view on that over and over As soon as someone else posts anything even slightly negative about the game, you suddenly seem to appear and bring up the same points you have said again and again. Might be why you feel your posts are being jumped on is all

Can you explain how my posts today have entered that territory, because I'm confused?

The only time today I've mentioned my feelings towards the game was when faced with a rather "loaded" comment completely out of the blue, along the lines of, well if you hate the game so much, why do you post here - Really

So, in an attempt to be contructive (to such a strawman comment), I put a polite and reasoned comment down... Now if this is what you're refering to today, clearly I'm dammed if I do, and dammed if I don't now. ie: Even when trying to be polite and constructive and honest to rather "loaded questions", I still can't win


But anyhoo, personally I'd suggest if people don't agree with someone else's thoughts, they either comment on it politely, or just ignore it. The alternatives get no where...

When I read your reply, that made me go "huh.... did he not read the quote?? or choosing not to intemperate it"

That was my first thought on it. Seemed a bit dismissive of Dano's post and TBF I would have responded in the same way....

The point being made there (clearly or not) was that there is no suggestion of how much effect their changes will have. 10% more materials here? 20% more materials there? 50% less effort less to collect for blue print X? Anything else to help level up?

Yes they've said they're addressing the matter(s), basically by throwing more materials at us more often in more places, but until they give us this update, we really can't say how much of a change it will be to CMDRs. ie: It might half the time... It might reduce it by 10%... We'll have to wait and see...

But IMHO, unless you're in a rush to Engineer, you may as well wait because it will get easier...

Still confused what's so inflammatory about this...

 

[dirtybeatfreak]

Just one quote from today. You are tierd of the game and are taking a break (which you have said several times). The engineering was the defining moment that made you leave (which you have said several times). You are fed up with where FD are focusing their efforts (which you have said several times). I could go back into the thread and quote several other instances. The latest being only 2 pages back.

I think you are missing the point of what I were getting at anyway. Please don't get me wrong, I am not saying your points are wrong, or that you are not polite or constructive, but you sing the same song every time

I've currently grown tired of the game (for reasons I've explained), so I'm actively taking a break from it now - The Engineers being my tipping point. I'm still hoping FD move things in a direction that will then tempt me back. Going to be interesting to see what passenger missions, 2.2 & 2.3 can bring to the gameplay. And looking ahead, when they finally add some exploration content, Wing content, and deeper background sim mechanics...

As for hating the game... Have probably put more time into it than any other game I've ever played. So I've more than got my Kickstarter donations worth out of it. I don't hate it... I am frustrated where FD are taking it... But there we are...

I've also invested a huge amount of effort into the game from a community aspect, and that's where I'll be most fustrated if FD don't move ED in a direction where I'd like to play again.

 

[NeilF]

Just one quote from today

I think you've missed the point... Dano was repeatedly asking (some might term it baiting?) with comments/questions like:-

I'll ask again, why do you continue to post in here when you clearly dislike the game?

What've you've quoted there is my attempt to give my POV, and of course clear up the "misunderstanding" that he believes "I hate/dislike the game".

Am I wrong for trying to give someone a nice considered answer, even to a (strawman) question?

The thing is, I believe I've been perfectly reasonable in answering that "loaded" question with a constructive (factual) answer, because it's only by better understanding other people's thought processes & values that you can better understand their points... Hence my attempt to be constructive and give my clear thoughts and clarify his notion. So given, I think I've been fair in making that comment - in effect to explain & help - if you don't agree, that's the way it will just have to be. I wouldn't change my behaviour/motives on that front