Remainers - Who do we vote for now?
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What tears?
You keep stating that nonsense, and yet I'm not seeing it.
People are stating they're unhappy with a vote result and discussing who they'd vote for under specific conditions.
This isn't any ******* tears it's pretty much the same sort of discussion you get about any controversial vote, it's just got more people interested as it's something that potentially affects a lot more people than "who do you vote for is tuition fees go up" or "who do you vote for if X becomes leader of the party".
I find it amusing that some of the people that are most happy with the fact that their choice won a vote on a 4% margin are claiming it's a huge victory and a massive majority and should be respected under all circumstances and to even discuss the fact that it could be over turned by another vote as undemocratic.
I guess our entire system is undemocratic given we overturn vote results on a pretty regular basis by voting differently in another election.
You keep stating that nonsense, and yet I'm not seeing it.
People are stating they're unhappy with a vote result and discussing who they'd vote for under specific conditions.
This isn't any ******* tears it's pretty much the same sort of discussion you get about any controversial vote, it's just got more people interested as it's something that potentially affects a lot more people than "who do you vote for is tuition fees go up" or "who do you vote for if X becomes leader of the party".
I find it amusing that some of the people that are most happy with the fact that their choice won a vote on a 4% margin are claiming it's a huge victory and a massive majority and should be respected under all circumstances and to even discuss the fact that it could be over turned by another vote as undemocratic.
I guess our entire system is undemocratic given we overturn vote results on a pretty regular basis by voting differently in another election.
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If May wins, we won't imo.
untill next year maybe. No way she'll just sit on it. If there is no intention to invoke it she should declare that immediately and then call a GE and let the voters decide if they want a Tory government that won't or I guess the alternative will be a UKIP one that will. If UKIP win by landslide and form the next government then they get it.
I can't see May not invoking, she'll just take a long ass time doing it to allow her to manoeuvre and grease up the right wheels first before pulling the trigger. The only way this will not get invoked is if it gets decided at a parliamentary level and a majority of MPs vote against repealing the 1972 european communities act. I give May max of 1 year as PM before her world comes crashing down on this one.
The pain and tears in this thread are strong.
Let it go and move on. If you don't like the result you can move to the EU where democracy doesn't matter which should suit all of you
Perhaps instead of posting rubbish like this you should think about the consequences of pretty much half the UK population being opposed to us exiting the EU and the danger of there being a split like this going forward, especially if as you say, the remain voters are so vehemently upset...
No one is going to let this go and move on I'm afraid, if that is what you are hoping. It is far too important for that.
Well said.
The irony being of course that we are discussing the result and potential outcomes, and questioning the vote, as is our democratic right to do so. And yet it's the very people gloating about such a narrow margin being a democratic decision and the "will of the people" (god that makes me sick) that are the ones telling us that we shouldn't have that right.
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The pain and tears in this thread are strong.
Let it go and move on. If you don't like the result you can move to the EU where democracy doesn't matter which should suit all of you
If we invoke article 50 there is a big chance my employers will wind down UK operations... = I will lose my job...
I am sorry if I don't want to move on...
There are about a billion other reasons for not 'moving on' besides that very good one.
And yet people insist on spouting the same 'move on' rubbish... Shows the typical mentality to be honest...
So thats it then? Once we vote on something or vote a party in and bring a law in, it can never be changed by voting in another party? Isnt that a facist dictatorship?
By your calculation we cant leave the EU cause we voted in plus women wouldnt still have the vote and homosexuality would still be illegal
That's because he is just trolling for a reaction!
None of them.
For the first time in my voting life (20 years) I feel utterly disillusioned with the whole ridiculous sham we have in this country that purports to be democracy.
If someone was to start a party based on honesty, transparency, true accountability and social equality with a convincing, honest leader I would imagine that they would waltz straight into power.
I can't be the only one who feels this way, surely?
For the first time in my voting life (20 years) I feel utterly disillusioned with the whole ridiculous sham we have in this country that purports to be democracy.
If someone was to start a party based on honesty, transparency, true accountability and social equality with a convincing, honest leader I would imagine that they would waltz straight into power.
I can't be the only one who feels this way, surely?
Love this idea but sadly half our brain dead electorate would still keep voting tory/Labour/lib because they always have and there dad did etc!
Or they vote for even worse parties than the main three, because its good to stick one up to the man, isn't it?
And thoughtless protest votes lead us to the situation we're in now.
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It'd also take an electorate that realise that some decisions that governments have to take aren't all nice and fluffy but actually decisions where there isn't necessarily a "right" answer.
Politicians have to dress up a lot of what they say because quite simply, most of the public can't take or understand the truth.
Aye, it's much the same as people don't like to pay taxes, but also want all the services that are paid for through the taxes.
I had no sympathy for the people in my area who voted down a specific increase in council tax to pay for additional police, then complain when the police had to go ahead with cuts because they didn't get it.
From memory when experiments have been done where normal people have had to specificlaly choose what services they would be happy to see cut to save taxes they've typically found they didn't want to cut anything (or no two people could agree on exactly what to cut).
That is the trouble. Running a country is a ridiculously complicated balancing act and it is almost impossible to please everyone.
It certainly makes a change from using random by-elections, local council and EU parliament votes to protest!
True, sometimes the government can't give everyone a free puppy but I do wish they would at least give a little thought to the huge disparity in society between the have's and the have nots, current levels of executive pay and the rises they get are truly obscene and make a mockery of 'the we are all in this together' thing!
Interesting to note (not sure if it came up in the other thread) that French government lawyers have said there is scope to rescind a50 if enacted and within the two years. One suggestion is there could be a referendum based on any deal agreed, before we pull out. So depending on when a50 is enacted we may well have a GE before the time runs out.
I voted lib dem last time round and will probably do the same this time round. They always seem to have a nice mix of some conservative and some social policy which I quite like. The fact they are pro EU is a big positive as well.
That disparity is about to get wider with the next super right Tory government that's incoming.